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To: BlueDragon

“Papal bulls — my foot. I spit on the pretenses of them”.

Well Happy Easter to you too!


8 posted on 04/04/2015 5:58:53 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
Is that all you have to say?

I could as well have given yourself the same tone as you just flung in my direction for yourself having initiated this thread --- and left it at that, with no further explanation.

Locke, although one whom could possibly be faulted for some things, was simply not Hobbes. Yet the writers seemed to blur the distinctions, while they went about their selective cherry-picking.

Of the two, Locke ended up being by far the more influential. The framers of the U.S. Constitution were very much influenced by Locke, though one could possibly give some thanks to Hobbes for having drawn it out of him...

Hobbes himself presented Leviathan as in the end --- all must (and even should) submit themselves too, and that "beast" was government (as men historically have used and abused powers of such).

It's not like he singled out the Roman Catholic Church out of all forms of government, but rather that he included that institution.

Yet to hear Catholics with an agenda (an agenda to have all submit to "popery" --- as if that would make peace break out like a hockey game at a boxing match) tell it, Hobbes was "persecuting" the RCC, proving in their eyes that once again "they" are the center of everything -- or at least should be, while crediting themselves (those of the RCC) with having Invented Every Good Thing (but seemingly none of the "bad").

Meanwhile --- as I did also point out --- that lacking actual conversion of individuals to Christ ---we have nothing. Philosophy, and understandings of it, may help but often can be cul-de-sac of *thinking*, ending up in the end, going nowhere much.

One simply must gain vision of --- what to do next, what is the next step (as noted by Hayek).

Do not confuse conversion (or submission) to the RCC as to being equivalent to actual conversion and submission of an individual to the Lord, and His Spirit.

Those are simply not fully interchangeable sets, albeit at least there can be some degree or extent of overlap...

Merry Christmas, and a happy birthday too.

10 posted on 04/04/2015 10:00:58 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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