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This Protestant Researched Marian Miracles, & What He Learned Blew His Mind
Churchpop ^ | April 4, 2015 | Albert Little -

Posted on 04/05/2015 1:59:53 PM PDT by NYer

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Satan cannot drive out Satan. A house, or a kingdom, cannot be divided against itself.

The synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke all record this profound event in the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. After healing a demon-possessed man, Jesus is confronted by the Pharisees, the pious religious leaders of the time, who question what authority Jesus has to cast out demons. They suggest, since Jesus certainly can’t possibly be working through the power of God, that it must be Satan, the devil, that’s given Him the power to drive out the demonic.

I think it’s safe to say that Jesus’s profound theological observation—that Satan can’t work against himself—can be applied to the context of modern day miracles as well.

Miracles, like those connected to the appearance or the intercession of the Virgin Mary, cannot possibly be explained as work of Satan. Miracles which, for all intents and purposes, draw millions to Jesus Christ Himself. When I dug deep into the historical miracles of the Catholic Church, especially those connected with the intercession and appearance of the Virgin Mary, I knew I had something enormous to contend with. What I found, dear reader, blew my mind.

As a Protestant, especially a Pentecostal, miracles weren’t something wholly unfamiliar to my faith life or to my understanding of Christianity. Far from it. In the middle years of my University life I attended a charismatic Pentecostal church in town where faith healings, speaking in tongues, and being slain in the Spirit were par for the course in a Sunday evening meeting. I’ve witnesses miracles, to be sure.

When I began to explore the Catholic Church, however, I was perplexed, as a Protestant, as to how miracles could be attributed to the intercession of Mary. To begin, I didn’t understand that notion of the intercession of the saints, so that didn’t help. But I worried, as well, that perhaps all those superstitious Catholics had the wool pulled over their eyes, so to speak, by the Father of Lies, Satan himself.

I think this is a fairly common concern of evangelical Protestants—at least this was my experience. What if the miracles of Mary were nothing more than a garden variety strategy by Satan to lead the Catholic Church, and well-meaning Catholic Christians, away from the truth of Christ? What if, instead of raising up Christ, these miracles were a diabolical means to elevate Mary to the status of an idol? My fear, as a good Pentecostal Protestant, was that Satan had put Mary in the way of Christ.

But how can a kingdom be divided against itself? It can’t. Jesus is clear.

Because, as I’ve learned, the Marian miracles, and there are scores and scores of them, do not lead well-meaning people away from Christ, towards Mary. The Marian miracles lead millions to Christ. And that can’t be the work of Satan.

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal

In 1830 an apparition of the Virgin Mary appeared to Sister Catherine Laboure, a novice in the community of the Daughters of Charity in Paris, France. Over the course of several appearances, the Virgin Mary allegedly told Sister Catherine to have a medal fashioned in her image for faithful Catholics to wear around their necks.

Now called the Miraculous Medal, the medal itself features highly symbolic imagery of Mary and asserts, among other things, her Immaculate Conception, a dogma which wasn’t proclaimed by the Church until 24 years later, although it had been piously believed since the early foundation of the Christian Church.

Several things are critically important to understand about this story.

The first is this. The Virgin Mary appeared to Sister Catherine—these days canonized as St. Catherine—at a critical junction in the life of the Church. Although widely held to be true, the Church hadn’t promulgated an official teaching on the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary—that is, she was conceived from the very first moment, protected by God, from sin. St. Catherine’s apparition of the Virgin Mary appeared at just the right time, making even more popular the widely held belief by establishing a mission to create and distribute the Miraculous Medal and its message.

The second important thing to understand is this. The body of St. Catherine is what the Church calls incorruptible. What does that mean? That means that coming up on 200 years after her death her body, which lies interred in the chapel where she first received this vision of the Virgin Mary, has not decayed.

I’ll say that again: Her body has not decayed. For how long now? 200 years.

What blows my mind, dear reader, is that not only have miracles been genuinely associated with the medal that the Blessed Mother gave to St. Catherine—that’s why it’s called the Miraculous Medal—but that, as if to underscore the reality of these miracles, Catherine’s body itself has not decayed, unpreserved, after nearly 200 years!

Our Lady of Guadalupe

In a nutshell, the miracle of Our Lady of Guadalupe is something after the heart of Jesus. Of course, because Mary’s miracles don’t work through some incredible power of Mary herself—they point to Christ—so we should expect, as she often does, Mary to appear to the poor and destitute, the young and the sick, as Jesus did, and would.

In 1531, the Virgin Mary appeared to a native American peasant named Juan Diego in a place just outside of Mexico City. Mary asked for Juan to petition the local bishop to have chapel build in her name. Juan, obviously awestruck, went to the bishop but his story wasn’t well received. In the course of several more appearances, and the continued reluctance of the bishop to believe Juan’s story, the Virgin Mary instructed him to gather some flowers into his cloak, flowers growing on a particular hill which, interestingly enough, weren’t native to the area (and shouldn’t have been growing at that time).

Finding the flowers, Juan gathered them up and went to see the bishop. When he opened his cloak to show the bishop the flowers, as proof of the Virgin Mary’s appearance and the truth of his story, he revealed quite a bit more.

Instead, the inside of Juan’s cloak was miraculously transformed into a deeply symbolic image of the Blessed Mother. Like the Miraculous Medal, 300 years later, the symbolism was incredibly rich, and the appearance of the image itself, entirely miraculous.

In fact, and incredibly, like the incorruptible body of St. Catherine the very same cloak worn by Juan Diego, displaying the image of Our Lady, can still be seen today, nearly 500 years later. The cloak and its preservation from decay, subjected to rigorous scientific tests, is truly beyond the explanation of science.

And pointing to Christ? The miracle of the cloak and word of its occurrence spread throughout Mexico and it’s believed that some eight million Aztec natives were converted to Christianity. The pilgrimage to see Juan’s cloak and the chapel which was, obviously, built in her name following the miracle, remains the largest pilgrimage in North America and sees millions of people every year come to celebrate Mass, and worship Jesus Christ, from all around the world.

That blows my mind.

Our Lady of Lourdes

Finally, the miracles of Our Lady of Lourdes.

In 1858, the Virgin Mary appeared to Bernadette Soubirous, a 14-year old peasant girl in Lourdes, France. In the course of several appearances, the Virgin Mary spoke to Bernadette who, like Juan, wasn’t at first believed by her parents and peers. But Bernadette insisted, and persisted, and Mary’s appearances culminated in the instruction to Bernadette to dig in a certain area of the ground, near the grotto, where Mary had been appearing.

From the area Bernadette dug a spring appeared. This spring would later go on to be connected with scores of miraculous physical and spiritual healings and gain official status in the Church as a place of great importance.

In fact, the incredible aspect of Lourdes, in my opinion, is the enormous body of evidence which exists to support the profound miracles perpetuated at this holy site. The Lourdes Medical Bureau, an organization which exists to examine and rule on possible miraculous healings, has declared 68 scientifically inexplicable miracles to have occurred at Lourdes. The Bureau itself is incredible in its sophistication and expertise made up on an enormous panel of expert doctors, including skeptics, from around the world and with a tightly-controlled and highly-regulated system for declaring what is, and isn’t, an unexplained miracle.

Out of some 7,000 cases the Bureau has examined 68 may seem like a small amount of genuine healings. But, think about this, that’s still 68 healings that science cannot, in any sense, explain.

That blows my mind.

Lourdes, to this day, is one of the most popular Catholic pilgrimage sites in the world.

Mary’s Miracles Always Point to Christ

A good, devout Catholic doesn’t need to believe in any of Mary’s miracles to be a Catholic. The Church teaches that private revelation, like these sorts of miracles, can be believed, or not. Even in cases, like Lourdes, where the Church definitively declares a miracle to have taken place it’s up to the individual believer to necessarily subscribe to it, or not.

Personally, and, obviously, there’s a lot of compelling stuff in here. For me, as a Protestant, I find no other way to explain these miracles than to say, flatly, that there’s something about Mary. Something incredible. Something blessed.

If God doesn’t work through the intercession of the saints, if Mary was no one more special than a fourteen year old Jewish virgin, then why is her intercession the cause of these profound miracles? Why, if she is not, as Catholics assert, first amongst the saints, would God use her in this way? It would, in the end, truly be pulling the wool over the eyes of Catholics if God used Mary in this way and let us go on, happily, believing in her special place in the kingdom.

If Mary isn’t who Catholics say she is, and if the saints aren’t to be venerated (asked to pray for us in the same way I ask my living, Christian friends to pray for me) then why would God allow her to appear, in this way, to mislead Catholics. Because, ultimately, it would be misleading if she appeared like this and she wasn’t someone special.

Would God allow that? Would God use that?

As a Protestant, I struggled for answers here.

It would be, utterly impossible, however, for Satan to be working in this way. I think that’s clear enough. Satan could never, and would never, use anything that would lead so many millions of people to a relationship with Christ—and that is precisely what these Marian miracles do.

There are only so many ways to explain our way out of this, and they all exhaust in a simple conclusion. And that conclusion, the truth about Mary, the saints, and their intercessory power, has blown my mind.



TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
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To: Alex Murphy
It never ceases to amaze me how dumb Protestants can be.

Did the author even stopped to think that praying to Mary IS a house divided? Anything that takes glory away from God is idolatry. Mary is just simply a form of this. He should note his OWN post of how wonderful Mary is (e.g. something incredible, something blessed) and ask himself why is he stating such a thing? He certainly didn't say "God is incredible" or "God is blessed". There is no glory to God in his statement.

John MacArthur-Is Roman Catholicism a False Gospel

May all our Catholic friends please accept this as a message of love and take it to heart.

201 posted on 04/06/2015 11:55:00 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Grateful2God

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David’s thoughts are not your thoughts.

You speaking Davids thoughts is empty babbling, since you as a catholic cannot even understand a real believer’s feelings.

Catholics declare a sinful created woman to be the mother of God. That is so far off the plain of understanding as to be baffling.

After Yeshua’s Way had been bringing hope to men for 300 years, along come catholics and begin slaughtering them for following his commandments, and keeping his Sabbath, and then have the audacity to declare themselves to be his true assembly.

Now that is what I call a crock!
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202 posted on 04/06/2015 11:56:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: steve8714
...giving new meaning to the phrase “fine print”

True, but i try to reduce size for such supplementary stuff, as is done for footnotes in books. I see that in IE it is very small, but in FF it is much more readable. Hold down the Ctrl key and tap the + key.

203 posted on 04/06/2015 12:19:54 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Or not. I expect a certain response here. It's the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Since no true Catholic could ever produce a forgery in defense of their faith, it must have been time-travelling Protestants.

Indeed. But there is also the premise that they converted by producing forgeries that defended Rome!

204 posted on 04/06/2015 12:24:53 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: editor-surveyor
Why then bother reading the Bible, or anything else that consist of another's thoughts? I have read so much fodder, I'm waiting for Rod Serling to come out and tell me those posts are from the Twilight Zone! Jesus had a mother! Many think we Catholics overdo it, (too bad, people!) but for crying out loud, she's His mother!

This is totally off-the-wall!

205 posted on 04/06/2015 1:17:47 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: daniel1212

Just asking: have you read Tim Staples’ new book on the subject? (”Behold Your Mother”)


206 posted on 04/06/2015 1:29:18 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: daniel1212

I respectfully disagree. Professor Hahn makes a compelling scriptural argument for the identification of the Virgin Mary with the Ark of the Covenant.


207 posted on 04/06/2015 1:53:08 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Iscool
Especially if you learn that stuff as a kid and it is pounded into your head going into adulthood...

Religion was never pounded into my head. I was brought up nominally Methodist and didn't join the Catholic Church until I was 48, mostly based on an unapproved seer but not all.

I didn't fit in culturally, and spiritually I had a lot to sort through. There has been heterodoxy in the church for centuries. And abuses. I see that now. There has also been much good.

After being deceived, I wouldn't trust anybody to lead me on the right path. I still don't. It would be so much easier if all of it were true. But it isn't. And you don't have to believe in private revelations. They've made their way into mass, not to a huge extent, but after mass, the people like to bond and talk about things. The big thing was all my friends were travelling to Medjugorje or being in Medjugorje groups..

There was a spinoff of Medjugorje into all the Marian apparitions. To be on the safe side, I decided to stick with only the apparitions deemed worthy of belief, approved by the church, knowing I didn't have to believe in them.

Now this one comes along, it's approved by the church, and I don't believe in it for good reason. I studied facts, researched, read select books, some for, very very very few against.

Something kind of funny and sad at the same time one day. I was attending daily mass. I made a new friend, an Hispanic from a large family. Her sister went to my church and we become somewhat friendly. I was in the habit of attending the coffees after the mass and the people were friendly but not like you'd known them for years, your children, etc.

I invited my friend's sister to come down for coffee because she seemed to stay by herself at mass. She agreed to. I can't remember what set her off but we didn't sit at the coffee long before she went off on somebody. It's quite a long time ago now and so unpleasant I can't exactly remember but she spouted out that the priest was evil.

We didn't stay long after that. I was shocked (she does have a fiery personality but a hard worker, hard life, and did befriend me sincerely). So we talked a little. It boiled down to she was irate that on St. Patrick's Day, the statue of St. Patrick was moved onto the altar area.

When Our Lady of Guadalupe statue came to town, the priest consigned her to the parish center where the coffees were. It was a cultural clash. The Germans and irish were here first, and the Hispanics came later.

Saved the rest for another time, maybe never.

208 posted on 04/06/2015 2:19:34 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Iscool
I'll just say one more thing about my friend at that coffee. She is a cradle Catholic, came here legally with her family in the 40's or 50's from Mexico, lived in a boxcar until the father built a house and found a good job.

She was in Detroit for a time, I don't know why, but she found a church there. The priest used her to collect money from people, then he was stealing it from the church. She didn't realize for a long time what was going on but when she did, she turned him in, I didn't ask whether to a higher priest, a bishop, or the police.

I have no reason not to believe her.

209 posted on 04/06/2015 2:33:40 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Grateful2God

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>> “ Jesus had a mother!” <<

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The human boy did, the Logos didn’t.
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210 posted on 04/06/2015 2:37:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: daniel1212

Wow. Confirms what I know to be truth. Thank you.


211 posted on 04/06/2015 2:38:33 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

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Hahn is a loon!

Mary had nothing to do with the Ark, and the division of the Bible into old and new testaments is nonsense too.

The only thing changed in the covenant was the fulfillment of the promised perfect sacrifice. It continued to be the same covenant.
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212 posted on 04/06/2015 2:42:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: daniel1212

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So obvious that there should be no need to post it.
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213 posted on 04/06/2015 2:47:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Aliska; Iscool

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>> “ but she spouted out that the priest was evil.” <<

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She was obviously filled with the Holy Spirit, which gave her the courage to speak God’s truth where it was needed.

But the message went only to those that were his own; the rest surely were put off or frightened by it.

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214 posted on 04/06/2015 2:58:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
From my heart, a question? Don't you believe that Jesus was both True God and true man? Honestly, I see that you refer to Jesus as Yeshua, and have ideas, beliefs that are different to me then others I've interacted with in forum. I'm genuinely curious as it seems you have a belief system so unfamiliar to me. Would you be so kind as to name it and state its tenets? Of like to know, for lack of a better phrase-and not as sarcasm "where you're coming from" - not to label but because your posts are unique at times.

Thanks either way.

215 posted on 04/06/2015 3:10:32 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: avenir; daniel1212; BlueDragon
    With Your counsel You will guide me, And afterward receive me to glory. Whom have I in heaven but You? And besides You, I desire nothing on earth. My flesh and my heart may fail, But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. (Psalm 73:24-26)

216 posted on 04/06/2015 3:12:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: vladimir998; NYer
"The anti-Catholics are making complete fools out of themselves. Again."

Sadly, not only against Catholics, but against the mother of Jesus. When a person's mother is insulted, so is that person. The straw man argument that ours is a different Jesus, just doesn't fly.

You'd think people would grow up and stop "playing the dozens" -they're really doing it to Jesus.

217 posted on 04/06/2015 3:21:39 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: omegatoo
God the Father is God.
Jesus is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.

They are all the same Person and always have been.

Jesus is God the Father.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is God the Father.

Nice heresy. It's called Modalism, an "unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons."

The heresy was condemned by Dionysius, the bishop of Rome, around 259 AD in an epistle titled "Against the Sabellians".

Anyone who believes this heresy can not rightly claim to be part of the church catholic. Check out Lutheran Satire, episode "St. Patrick's Bad Analogies" for more heresies about the trinity.

218 posted on 04/06/2015 3:31:36 PM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: editor-surveyor
LOL. Well, St. Paul had to stay in the area by the front doors. He just stood there and took it.

I didn't see him as evil. He was one of the nicer ones actually but he did run a tight ship. So maybe thou judgeth me in that regard. He passed away some years ago now, and I have prayed for his soul, not that I think he needs it more than others. There's another stickler. Once your gone, your fate is sealed. I don't exactly believe that across the board any more.

I don't believe Mary sleeps. How can that be? Even before Christ rose from the dead (he didn't sleep) we are told that Christ before his resurrection preached to the spirits in prison. If they were in prison, they were sentient and some at least capable of being taught and understanding.

219 posted on 04/06/2015 3:46:27 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: boatbums

Amen.


220 posted on 04/06/2015 3:53:41 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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