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Feds press megachurch to return $300K donated by Michigan's largest Ponzi schemer
M Live ^ | April 04, 2015 | John Agar

Posted on 04/06/2015 6:20:25 AM PDT by Gamecock

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1 posted on 04/06/2015 6:20:25 AM PDT by Gamecock
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a. It is not the place of the Feds to ask the church to return these funds.

b. Now that the church knows this is dirty money I think it is right and good to return it, if the money is returned to those bilked out of their savings in the first place.


2 posted on 04/06/2015 6:21:46 AM PDT by Gamecock ("The Christian who has stopped repenting has stopped growing." A.W. Pink)
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To: Gamecock

..don’t press Kerry for the 7 million he stole from the DNC after his campaign fizzled


3 posted on 04/06/2015 6:22:06 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

Two different stories. Two different answers.


4 posted on 04/06/2015 6:23:45 AM PDT by Gamecock ("The Christian who has stopped repenting has stopped growing." A.W. Pink)
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...let’s see if Hilda returns all the money she scrapes from “donors” in this attempt at a miserable presidential run. It’s about it’s ever been about with Hilda..$$$$$$$$


5 posted on 04/06/2015 6:24:22 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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6 posted on 04/06/2015 6:24:57 AM PDT by Gamecock ("The Christian who has stopped repenting has stopped growing." A.W. Pink)
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To: Gamecock

did he pay any taxes? Maybe IRS should return the taxes to the victims as well


7 posted on 04/06/2015 6:25:59 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Doogle

Carlos Danger also took a lot of money during his farce of a campaign. He calls it his War Chest.


8 posted on 04/06/2015 6:26:13 AM PDT by lee martell (The sa)
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To: Gamecock

But King David replied to Araunah, “No, I insist on paying the full price. I will not take for the LORD what is yours, or sacrifice a burnt offering that costs me nothing.”
1 Chronicles 21:24


9 posted on 04/06/2015 6:27:15 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: Gamecock
Since most megachurches are Ponzi schemes...
10 posted on 04/06/2015 6:27:36 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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Michigan's largest Ponzi schemer

Wouldn't that be Amway?
11 posted on 04/06/2015 6:31:05 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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"our Church's mission to help spread the gospel of Jesus Christ locally, nationally and around the world,"

Which is probably a big part of why they were targeted for shaming.

12 posted on 04/06/2015 6:32:16 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Gamecock

I think that the church can and must be forced by legal action to pay back that money. It was constructive fraud and they are not entitled to the sums involved. There are many legal precedents for such cases, and just because they didn’t know it was stolen money when they received the money does not mean they are entitled to keep it.


13 posted on 04/06/2015 6:34:41 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: 17th Miss Regt

No, I reckon it was the fact that they received stolen money and are refusing to pay it back that is why they are being targeted for shaming. Of course it seems that they have no shame, but the courts will see to the restitution nonetheless.


14 posted on 04/06/2015 6:36:04 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: 17th Miss Regt

No, I reckon it was the fact that they received stolen money and are refusing to pay it back that is why they are being targeted for shaming. Of course it seems that they have no shame, but the courts will see to the restitution nonetheless.


15 posted on 04/06/2015 6:36:04 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

Can the church name people that it helped during that time and ask them to return the money? Why stop with the church in following the funds?


16 posted on 04/06/2015 6:42:05 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: babble-on

Yeah, they took dirty money, have acknowledged it, refused to give it back, and then tried to rationalize their refusal.


17 posted on 04/06/2015 6:43:15 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau

And are trying to hide behind Jesus to justify their crime.


18 posted on 04/06/2015 6:46:00 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

So if he bought a car the car dealer must “pay back” the money?

What about a restaurant he ate vat? Does it have to “pay back” the money?

Etc...


19 posted on 04/06/2015 6:47:06 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: babble-on

Agreed. Receiving stolen property is a crime regardless of knowledge of its provenance.


20 posted on 04/06/2015 6:49:38 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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