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To: ealgeone
What is your take on why people are fleeing the church?

That's a question with a very long answer, I'll try to be brief. I believe the "collapse" started when Rome changed the rites surrounding the Sacraments. People had been led along believing that the Church never changes and then almost overnight everything was changed. Then (and this is where I put on my tin foil hat) homosexuals infiltrated the clergy in massive numbers and basically just destroyed everything from within.

It's a lot more complex than just that, but I think those two things contributed more than anything else. There was also the birth control kerfuffle, the people who were happy with the changes expected (and were led to expect) that the Church would change its teaching on birth control as well. There was a backlash when that didn't happen.

6 posted on 04/07/2015 3:32:40 PM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: Legatus
I think we're in the Last Days myself. If we're not, it's going to get a lot rougher going forward. But it won't be the first time Christianity has hit rough times.

I see Satan at work in a feverish way right now. I believe he knows his time is limited.

We are having marriage being redefined right in front of our eyes into something that is not in accordance with God's definition of marriage. As the family is impacted so is the church.

The rise of feminism with women pastors is impacting the church as well. If you're not going to be faithful to the requirements of the office as noted in 1 Timothy and Titus, why will you be faithful in the rest of the word?

The Bible does note there will be a falling away in the End Times. But I also believe God is One who is not willing that any should perish....but He does have a time line.

I think He may be watching the church to see what the Bride will do. Will she get herself ready for the groom?

Will there be revival among His people?

As men, we are to be the spiritual head of the household. Are we preparing our families? Are we leading our families as we should?

I pray we, I, am not found wanting.

10 posted on 04/07/2015 3:45:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Legatus
...I'll try to be brief. I believe the "collapse" started when Rome changed the rites surrounding the Sacraments. People had been led along believing that the Church never changes and then almost overnight everything was changed. Then (and this is where I put on my tin foil hat) homosexuals infiltrated the clergy in massive numbers and basically just destroyed everything from within.

That's a perception that I had not considered before. I'll have to mull this over for awhile!

48 posted on 04/07/2015 8:29:31 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Legatus; EagleOne
Then (and this is where I put on my tin foil hat) homosexuals infiltrated the clergy in massive numbers and basically just destroyed everything from within.

This may surprise some Catholics, but the homosexual "problem" within the clergy of the Catholic church was not a new thing. Reading the writings of men like St. Peter Damian demonstrate that this has been happening for centuries. Here are a few links about that:

St. Peter Damian: The Book of Gommorah part 1

St. Peter Damian: The Book of Gommorah part 2

64 posted on 04/08/2015 7:48:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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