Posted on 04/12/2015 11:16:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7
The following is an edited transcript of the audio.
Are Christians under the 10 commandments?
No. The Bible says we're not under the law.
I love Romans 7:4-6. By way of analogy, it says that you are married to the law. And you better stay married because if you leave this husband and go marry another you are going to be called an adulterer. But if your husband dies, then you can go and remarry.
And then Paul draws the analogy out—a little complex the way he does it—saying that you died to the law. You aren't married anymore, you can have another husband, namely Christ. He's raised from the dead.
So, our approach towards ethics is different. We don't ask the question, "Am I under the law?" We are under grace. The law is already fulfilled perfectly by Jesus. We are in Jesus and as far justification goes, God sees it as completed for you, one-hundred percent. He says, "You've trusted my Son. You've been grafted in him. You are in Christ Jesus and he fulfilled the law perfectly. He covered all your sins." God sees you in and through Christ, therefore, as far as final judgment goes God is 100% for you. That is settled and nothing is going to change it.
Now, shall we sin that grace may abound? Paul says, "Dead men don't sin." If you've died to sin, how can you still live in it? The new birth is the writing of the law on our heart so that we are not under it, it is under us. It is just coming out.
The way we strive towards being obedient, holy and loving people is not by getting up in the morning and pulling the list out of our pocket. No! We get on our knees and we open ourselves to the whole counsel of God in the Bible. We saturate and shape ourselves by everything he has done, he is doing and he will do. We stake our lives in the gospel and then instead of serving the law, we serve one another in love.
Love is the fruit of faith in Jesus—faith working through love. And if you ask, "What does love look like?" First John says, "It keeps the commandments." That brings us back to the question, which commandments? I would say, the ones that are loving.
Love God and do as you please is not bad advice, if you're bent on holiness. If you're bent on love the ten commandments are really important. You should hang them on your wall and you should measure your life by them, but in a very different way than when you were under them, because they have been kept for you.
You are now married to the risen Christ. You are not married to the law and the oldness of the letter, but to the newness of the Spirit. Our whole approach towards transformation, love and life is different than list keeping.
While reading about The Mayflower, I came across an interesting paragraph. It said those people were the first Baptists and Methodists in this country. It also discussed The Geneva Bible. I got an email last year trying to sell me one. Wish I had bought one.
Please tell me that you are aware that, at no time, was a blood sacrifice required for salvation under Jewish Law. Ever.
So, blasphemy, murder, theft, adultery, etc, are all good now?
Who knew? Let’s party. /sarcasm
"Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."—Hebrews 9:15-22
RUN, do not walk, from the Hebrew Roots movements and flee to HEBREWS...the letter. All of the twists and distortions of that movement are set straight there.
Amen
Beloved:
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is begotten by God,
and everyone who loves the Father
loves also the one begotten by him.
In this way we know that we love the children of God
when we love God and obey his commandments.
For the love of God is this,
that we keep his commandments.
And his commandments are not burdensome,
for whoever is begotten by God conquers the world.
And the victory that conquers the world is our faith.
Who indeed is the victor over the world
but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is the one who came through water and blood, Jesus Christ,
not by water alone, but by water and blood.
The Spirit is the one that testifies,
and the Spirit is truth.
In the old convenient the high priest brought the yearly sacrifice for the whole nation of Israel to cover their sins for that year.
The blood of bulls and goats could never attone or take away the people’s sins..
Salvation is in only one name , and one name only, Jesus Christ...
Salvation came to the Jews and Gentiles by Jesus Christ only.
There is no other name or way unto salvation in heaven or earth than Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ’s blood as the writer of the book of Hebrews have stated, Christ’s blood speaks of better things.
Had the blood of bulls and goats taken away the sins of the people, then the yearly sacrifice by the high priest would have stopped..
Since Christ’s blood was far superior, and ALL sufficient, he ( Christ ) only had to offer up him self , only ? One time, and one time only, for ALL time , for all.
The Jewish ritual of yearly sacrifices stopped in 7O AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Holy Temple..
So ? Since 70 AD until now ? How has the old system, the law, old convenient way of things been able to attone for those sins for 2000 years since there were no sacrifices of bulls and goats ?
Why ? Because God him self suffered, and offered up him self for our sins in the body of Jesus Christ ( Jesus Christ, God in the flesh as human ) and God him self has stopped the old system of ritual yearly sacrifice.
No more need of the high priest to sacrifice and bring the blood of bulls and goats to attone for sins.
Christ’s blood is ALL sufficient to save souls....
Yes. Jesus followed the perfectly so I won’t go to hell failing to follow them.
That’s a lame straw man argument..
Thats a ridiculus argument that those who are saved by grace alone can now do what ever they want..
We honor the law not because our earning our salvation, we honor the law because we are APREADY saved , in Christ, Christ, the giver of the law and the fillfillmemt of the law.
Those who are in Christ by grace have ALREADY kept the law perfectly... They have ALREADY fulfilled the law,, have you ?
Those who are in grace can do what ever they want ?
Of course not !
That’s totally a ridiculous argument.
We still honor the Ten Commandments, but our salvation does not hang in the balance because of it, Jesus Christ fulfilled all the law in our stead, and paid the price for our salvation
Note this does not say that one is saved by the keeping of the commandments,... Our relationship to them is far different than that of the nation of Israel . As John notes, to the saved the commandments are not "burdensome" ..we do not rely on our obedience to them to be saved ...if you read the opening post you would have seen this
You should hang them on your wall and you should measure your life by them, but in a very different way than when you were under them, because they have been kept for you.
Well...
...since the 10 were given to the Chosen People (Jews) as part of a Legal Contract; I don't see how that I, a non-Jew, would have any standing in a court of 'law' if I tried to apply them to me.
I think a similar question was asked (and answered) in Acts 15.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
Then please; show us from the Bible where they DO apply.
The speed limit in downtown Jerusalem is in FORCE to; but I sure do NOT have to drive that speed on I-70 in the eastern part of Indiana!
Was He not a Jew?
I think that's what John 3:18 states; right?
And my friend if anyone has told a lie.. they have committed all of those sins as well
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Bump
Some folks seem to miss this FACT...
Marie ?
In God’s sight, in God’s eyes ?
Those who are in Christ by grace have already kept “ the law “ perfectly because Jesus Christ has already fulfilled “ the law “ perfectly in our stead, those who are IN Christ.
We honor “ the law “ because we love God and our fellow man, not because it’s a vehicle, or our way of earning our salvation, Jesus Christ has already earned our way of salvation because he paid the final price for us.
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