The Catholic Dogma of Infallibility

Apologitics Press ^ | 2005 | Moisés Pinedo

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Not at all. The Church has set rules which it lays out right off the bat. If you wish to be a member, you assent to the rules. Simple.

A better example of the True Scotsman fallacy would be "all saved people are good. If you're not good, then you weren't saved after all."

[jobim]

ONE NOTE SAMBA

This is just a little samba
Built upon a single note
Other notes are bound to follow
But the root is still that note

Now this new note is the consequence
Of the one we've just been through
As I'm bound to be
The unavoidable consequence of you

There's so many people
Who can talk and talk, and talk
And just say nothing
Or nearly nothing

I have used up all the scale
I know and at the end
I've come to nothing
I mean nothing

So I come back to my first note
As I come back to you
I will pour into that one note
All the love I feel for you

Any one who wants the whole show
Re mi fa so la ci do
He will find himself with no show
Better play the note you know

So I come back to my first note
I must come back to you
I will pour into that one note
All the love I feel for you

Any one who wants the whole show
Re mi fa so la ci do
He will find himself with no show
Better play the note you know

[terycarl]

I am a Catholic and I think the idea of papal infallibility is complete crock of crap. And so do many other Catholics for that matter. Not all of us are mindless automatons marching mindlessly in lockstep with every whim that comes out of the Vatican these days

You have no concept whatsoever of what Infallibility is if you spew that trash. Whet goes on in an everyday setting in the vatican hasNOTHING AT ALL to do with infallibility.

The church teaches, and rightfully so, that when issueing a edict or official statement, ie;Ex Cathedra, Christ has promised that the statement will be without error.

The Immaculate Conception and the Assumption are the only infallible teaachings that I am aware of....if you don't want to believe in either of them, then join your favorite "Protestant" denomination and live your life according to their erroneous teachings....whatever.

[terycarl]

>>The last time was in 1950 regarding the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary.<< And that is totally against what scripture teaches.

no it isn't

[terycarl]

Catholicism reads like a cult. The more I learn of it the more I am convinced it is nothing more than a cult no different than Mormonism or Muslim. It has more in common with them that with Christian faiths

Still trying to justify your poor decision...Catholicism IS Christianity...the various denominations which have sprung up are wannabees at best.

[WVKayaker]

Still trying to justify your poor decision...Catholicism IS Christianity...

Hahahahahahahaaaaa! Again, someone making such claims by saying "lalalalalaa" with fingers in ears!

"WE ARE The ONES... because we say so!" When presented with clear evidence refuting their cult, sourced from God's Word, they offer little but deflection and derision. They cannot offer a response from any source but the same ..."WE ARE The ONES... and we say so!".

Roman Catholicism resembles Christianity, but they are nothing more than an indoctrinated cult ... well indoctrinated, for sure! From birth they have heard the same "works will get you there, and if not, we will pray you out of purgatory and light a few thousand candles for you".

Hogwash! Roman Catholicism IS a cult!

[Crim]

“What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews… Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct.” He solution is the following seven steps:

“First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them.

Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.

Fifth, I advise that safe conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews… Let they stay at home.

Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping… Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest.

Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow… For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting…”

*****

“But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews’’ synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God’’s name? They will still keep doing it in secret...

“I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow…

“If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God’’s wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated.

Amen.”

Martin luther.

[WVKayaker]

Martin luther.

Is that supposed to mean something in reference to this thread?

It is a typical nonsensical response, but fails to note that Martin Luther was ROMAN CATHOLIC and faithfully followed the lead of his cult until he was excommunicated. He was just echoing what the Roman Catholic cult had taught him! He became famous by going against that error-filled cult.

I repeat... Is that supposed to mean something in reference to this thread? Is there no refutation to be found in Scripture?

Of course not, to a Roman Catholic cult member. It's "whatever the Roman Catholic cult says it is..." that counts to the properly indoctrinated ones!!! It doesn't matter that they say one thing and then change it to another. I don't see that God is that changeable.

[CynicalBear]

When you see me defending any denomination then you will know that the information you just gave me will be of interest. Before that time I would suggest you not waste your time with that denomination stuff with me.

[CommerceComet]

He complains to PETER... because Peter has authority over James and should have told James’ people to shove off!

Paul confronted Peter because Peter was being the hypocrite. That action has nothing to say about the relative authority of James or Peter, just the sin of Peter. Why involve James if the problem gets fixed with a direct communication?

I have always been curious about his incident which raises a question: What would happen today if a Cardinal were to publicly dress-down the Pope like Paul did Peter?

[dangus]

Do you think that Paul mentions that these people came from James for no reason?

>> I have always been curious about his incident which raises a question: What would happen today if a Cardinal were to publicly dress-down the Pope like Paul did Peter? <<

Have you been living in a cave lately?

[CommerceComet]

Do you think that Paul mentions that these people came from James for no reason?

I don't think that the identity of the man who sent the men is of major importance in this situation. Peter was being publicly rebuked for his hypocrisy.

Have you been living in a cave lately?

A serious inquiry doesn't merit an obnoxious response. Non-Catholics, as a general rule, don't follow Catholic ecclesiastical politics. So if you're willing to answer in a gracious fashion, are you implying that a Cardinal could publicly challenge a Pope or that he couldn't?

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Actually the dogma of Papal Infallibility has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus nor is based on anything which can be found in the Bible. The dogma was instituted rather late in Church History, the late 1800s. Here was it said in Wikipedia.com:

Pope Pius IX-—”During his pontificate, he convened the First Vatican Council (1869-70), which decreed papal infallibility, but the council was cut short due to the loss of the Papal States.”

“Pius IX defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, meaning Mary was conceived without original sin.”

Sorry to annoy you with the facts. I believe in most Catholic teachings but I never knew that in order to be a member of the Church, you had to agree with each and every single doctrine or dogma without question. That type of rigidity and unquestioning is indeed a very scary and authoritarian—even totalitarian mindset which would make it tantamount to a cult.

[CynicalBear]

>>I believe in most Catholic teachings but I never knew that in order to be a member of the Church, you had to agree with each and every single doctrine or dogma without question.<<

Submit will and intellect is what Catholic Catechism says.

Canon 752: “While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic Magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ's faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.”

Canon 753: “While not infallible in their teaching, [Catholic bishops] are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ's faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.”

Whatever they say you must submit! Cult? You betcha.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Fortunately, most Catholics do not think this way. Some do yes-—quite clearly-—you can see them here. You would be surprised. The uber Catholics call us “cafeteria Catholics”. And yes I do pick and choose what I’m going to believe or not. I start with the Bible and the Gospels. If it isn’t there, I think we can and should question it.

[Elsie]

Well, you were correct right up to that point.

I look forward to your rebuke to your fellow Catholic.

[Elsie]

As a proud Catholic, I don't know what it is that you believe in, but I wish you well in that regard.

Ahhh...

[RnMomof7]

Remember when you point a finger at someone else ..4 point back at you

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/timeline.htm

[RnMomof7]

Peter has authority over James and should have told James’ people to shove off!

1 Peter 5:1Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed

Acts 10:…25When Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him. 26But Peter raised him up, saying, "Stand up; I too am just a man."

Peter did not think he was "pope", nor did the rest of the church

Gal:4 9and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.…

Note that there was agreement that Peter was the apostle to the Jews, and Paul to the gentiles ....

James, as the Bishop of Jerusalem , ( the seat of the new church) was charged with calling the first church council ... Peter was a part of the problem.. opps so much for "infallible"

[CynicalBear]

>>If it isn’t there, I think we can and should question it.<<

Amen and Amen! Paul commended the Bereans for just that.