Posted on 04/17/2015 10:05:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Is there any proof that all this discrimination is happening?
The controlling side doesn’t need proof. Their pronouncements are good enough.
The entire purpose for this push for the gay agenda in the West is to criminalize Christianity. Once that has been accomplished, the homosexuals will be discarded.
The difference, Fr. Reese, is that Mormonism is a man-made religion created by Joseph Smith around 200 years ago and can change it's beliefs to fit it's situation. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, was founded by Jesus Christ 2000 years ago and cannot change the beliefs handed on to her by her Founder.
“With the entire nation aligned against them in 1896, they gave up on polygamy as part of a deal to get statehood for Utah. When they see that they are losing, they are willing to make compromises.”
Well, that’s the difference between Mormons and Christians. Our beliefs come from God, so we don’t surrender them just because the world opposes us.
Isn’t the current pope a Jesuit?
Unfortunately, yes.
Yo Strawman - here is your argument.
He is indeed. Jesuits do run a spectrum. There are many orthodox Jesuit priests (like Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN and Fr. Joseph Fessio who runs Ignatius Press), but most of the order seems to be at the other end, especially those in academia.
Just so you are aware, the Nat’l Reporter is the Catholic version of a leftist rag.
The reporter/writer editorializes throughout in favor of sickening gay “rights”, while insidiously recommending that the Catholic Church butt out of practicing their faith, shut up and serve the agenda for moral collapse being perpetrated by the already morally collapsed.
The Church in the West, under the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is becoming quite unpredictable, on what they might choose to do, or to ignore, but the devout Catholic will never change, regardless of their own shrinking numbers. Heavens, these kind were raised and put to sleep at night on the saints and blood of martyrs.
FYI, The National Catholic *Register* is the more traditional Catholic source.
That is the dumbness statement anyone sane could make.
Oh, well said.
Legally, it’s all similar, get every other religion to either accept same-sex marriage, and if there’s a few isolated religions that don’t practice it, the government is free to do what it wishes with them in the name of rights. FWIW, the Mormons were an isolated group practicing polygamy and it was easy for TPTB and the general public to do what they wanted. Now, the stuff we used to punish polygamy (enforced legal marriage) is biting us all in the rear. It doesn’t matter how false the Mormons are, that’s not the point here. The point is, all sorts of stuff can be forced on the rest of us by law, because those religions that don’t practice same-sex marriages are getting more isolated by the day, and the secular side is growing.
Sorry you think so; it happens to be a fact of history.
That wasn’t my point. My point was that the Catholic Church is not free to change her essential doctrines.
I wonder what the good father deems “essential” in the catechism.
It doesn’t appear that the sanctity of one of the church’s sacraments in essential to him.
I suspect the “religious liberty” aspects of the Utah legislation will go the way of the “civil unions” compromise of the recent past. No way these guys are compromising with anybody - they won, and they are going to take no prisoners.
Yikes. Are you just now emerging from a lifetime of isolation?
Trust me, if you are protestant, your protestant handlers were birthed in protest— protest to the Catholic Church.
Check it out sometime. Get back to us, when you become even minimally informed.
I was reading that some cardinal explained it this way— that doctrine will not be changed, but the application of doctrine, in the practices, gets determined in the leanings and ways of teaching that essentially undermine doctrine.
I think that may be a fair statement. Same goes in political change. When the traditional generation dies off, what’s left and who’s left to defend it? It is just an uneasy time we are in.
But, you’re right. So long as the devout are left standing, they and their devout priests will live as devout Catholics.
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