Posted on 04/21/2015 4:05:21 AM PDT by marshmallow
The new pope's choices stir high hopes among liberal Catholics and intense uncertainty among conservatives. Deep divisions may lie ahead.
In 1979, almost a year into the papacy of John Paul II, a novel called The Vicar of Christ spent 13 weeks on the New York Times best-seller list. The work of a Princeton legal scholar, Walter F. Murphy, it featured an unlikely papal candidate named Declan Walshfirst a war hero, then a United States Supreme Court justice, and then (after an affair and his wifes untimely death) a monkwho is summoned to the throne of Saint Peter by a deadlocked, desperate conclave.
Once elevated, Walsh takes the name Francescothat is, Francisand sets about using the office in extraordinary ways. He launches a global crusade against hunger, staffed by Catholic youth and funded by the sale of Vatican treasures. He intervenes repeatedly in world conflicts, at one point flying into Tel Aviv during an Arab bombing campaign. He lays plans to gradually reverse the Churchs teachings on contraception and clerical celibacy, and banishes conservative cardinals to monastic life when they plot against him. He flirts with the Arian heresy, which doubted Jesuss full divinity, and he embraces Quaker-style religious pacifism, arguing that just-war theory is out of date in an age of nuclear arms and total war. (This last move eventually gets him assassinated, probably by one of the governments threatened by his quest for peace.)
Murphys book is mostly forgotten, but his hook, the idea of a progressive pope who sets out to bring sweeping change to Catholicism, has endured in the cultural imagination. The priest-novelist Andrew M. Greeleys 1996 potboiler White Smoke, for instance, culminates in the election of a modernizing Spanish cardinal, whose conservative opponents are undone by the wily politicking of two Irish American prelates. Two....
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Uh, no.
Nothing will prevail against the Church.
and liberal Catholics don’t really care what the Pope says. THat’s what makes them Liberal Catholics.
Catholics know the Pope can’t break the Church.
This pope won’t break the church but he most certainly will break the Vatican.
No break will happen. As Jesus said:
“The gates of Hell will not prevail.”
No
Spot-on. The Church has survived many bad Popes over it’s 2000 year history. Many far worse than this guy. My observation is that he’s misguided. Some in the past were simply malevolent.
The hyperventilating concern trolls at the Atlantic are hilarious in their poorly disguised agendas.
The Church has survived many bad Popes over its 2000 year history. Many far worse than this guy. My observation is that hes misguided. Some in the past were simply malevolent.
I have heard this a lot, and I don't disagree with the facts of it, but I do think it misses some of the key differences between today and those past popes. For one, those many past bad popes did not have a modern global multimedia system to benefit them. It took ages for things to get around, and when it did it usually wasn't the daily musings of a very dubious man like we have today, but official proclamations which were more strictly handled. Secondly, the world was different. There was a largely orthodox and sincere body of believers which would have to be convinced. Sure, many were ready for "progress" but most probably were not interested, and would have stood against false hoods being preached from the highest office. Today, however, we have a world begging and ready for this stuff, including most of the people in the pews.
I am not saying that the Church will be broken, per se, but I do think we have to be ready for the potential of massive, incredible upheaval and damage. It could be really bad. Much worse than anything that could have been perpetrated by truly evil popes hundreds of years ago. We should be prepared.
You do know that The Gates mean the Gospel will defeat Hell. The gates are not a defensive weapon of the church.
Gates obviously not threatened by overwhelmingly Protestant US of A "Christians".
The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church and it ain't a crowd of E Van Gelical Self and Self Alone folks dying for Christ these days.
I really enjoy Ross Douthat articles and books.
“Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics” by Ross Douthat
Raymond: Talk for a moment about the New Springtime. The Pope has talked a great deal about the New Springtime and you, yourself have laid out your own ideas. Your vision is a little different from some. Some see the numbers growing and everybody believing and dancing hand-in-hand (the Cardinal chuckles) into the millennium. You see a different picture. Tell us what that picture involves. How do you see this Springtime evolving? Ratzinger: As I do not exclude even this dancing hand-in-hand, but this is only one moment. And my idea is that really the springtime of the Church will not say that we will have in a near time buses of conversions, that all peoples of the world will be converted to Catholicism. This is not the way of God. The essential things in history begin always with the small, more convinced communities. So, the Church begins with the 12 Apostles. And even the Church of St. Paul diffused in the Mediterranean are little communities, but this community in itself is the future of the world, because we have the truth and the force of conviction. So, I think also today it should be an error to think now or in 10 years with the new springtime, all people will be Catholic. This is not our future, nor our expectation. But we will have really convinced communities with élan of the faith, no? This is springtime a new life in very convinced persons with joy of the faith. Raymond: But, smaller numbers? In the macro? Ratzinger: Smaller numbers, I think. But from these small numbers we will have a radiation of joy in the world. And so, its an attraction, as it was in the old Church. Even when Constantine made Christianity the public religion, there were a small number of percentage at this time; but it was clear, this is the future. So we can live in the future, just give us a way in a different future. And so, I would say, if we have young people really with the joy of the faith and this radiation of this joy of the faith, this will show to the world, Even if I cannot share it, even if I cannot convert it at this moment, here is the way to live for tomorrow. - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, from an interview with Raymond Arroyo, 5 September 2003 |
Perhaps this upheaval you speak of may end up leaving only committed ones left (thus the small numbers spoken of in the extract above).
JMHo
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