[eastsider]

There seems to be a radical misunderstanding of what the magisterium and the charism of infallibility are. For a number of reasons, I'm disinclined to address the misunderstanding -- the primary reason being that it's off-topic. Still, it might be instructive to explain how I answered RnMomof7's 4 question as I did.

There is a reference book known as "Denzinger" whose full title is “Compendium of Creeds, Definitions, and Declarations on Matters of Faith and Morals”. Denzinger is the reference book for scholars and students alike who are interested in the sources of various Church teachings. Denzinger is laid out chronologically, with a “Systematic Index” in the back that one can use to find the document(s) related to the matter(s) being researched.

For example, when I wanted to know what the magisterium had to say about the reality of Adam and Eve, I started with the “Overview of the Individual Sections” at the begining of the “Systematic Index” and found “C. God Creates and Blesses the World”. Within sectiom C I found “4. Man (a: The Origin of Mankind ..”, at which point I left the Overview and went to Section C4 of the Systematic Index. There I found “Adam and Eve were the first human beings created by God ...” Followed by several paragraph numbers. Since I was especially interested in the “last word” on the subject, I went to the highest number (as I said, the basic format is chronological). That’s where I found the quote from Humani generis that I posted on the thread at #84 above.

The teaching of Humani generis that Adam and Eve were real individuals is indeed an infallible expression of the ordinary and universal magisterium. Should any Catholic wish to challenge me on this, I feel certain that piusv would be happy to join me in defending that claim on a separate Catholic Caucus thread dedicated to the issue.

Peace of Christ be with you.

[ealgeone]

The teaching of Humani generis that Adam and Eve were real individuals is indeed an infallible expression of the ordinary and universal magisterium. Should any Catholic wish to challenge me on this, I feel certain that piusv would be happy to join me in defending that claim on a separate Catholic Caucus thread dedicated to the issue.

Difference between Christianity and catholicism is that Christians didn't need someone to tell us it was true. We believe the word.

The next question then becomes.....were they created on the sixth day as noted in Genesis. By day I am defining that, based on the word, to be a 24 hour day as we understand it today......or was the creation just symbolic as outlined in the CCC?

[daniel1212]

There seems to be a radical misunderstanding of what the magisterium and the charism of infallibility are....There is a reference book known as "Denzinger" whose full title is “Compendium of Creeds..." with a “Systematic Index”

However, that is not an infallible document.

The teaching of Humani generis that Adam and Eve were real individuals is indeed an infallible expression of the ordinary and universal magisterium.

For a RC that is, based upon your judgment that that it is what was always taught everywhere, or as Rome defines always and everywhere. That the stories in Genesis were always held as being literal would be harder. However, i was addressing the premise that since something is taught in an encyclical then it is RC infallible, which it is not.

[piusv]

The teaching of Humani generis that Adam and Eve were real individuals is indeed an infallible expression of the ordinary and universal magisterium. Should any Catholic wish to challenge me on this, I feel certain that piusv would be happy to join me in defending that claim on a separate Catholic Caucus thread dedicated to the issue.

Sure thing.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Good explanation.

I sure wish Denzinger were online in a searchable format. Wouldn't that be cool?