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Just a reminder to the universe at large that popular retellings of history aren't necessarily accurate history.
1 posted on 04/23/2015 9:38:18 AM PDT by SweetAkitoRose
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To: SweetAkitoRose

It is a television production...If you want history then do the research....

People are so sensitive these days


2 posted on 04/23/2015 9:44:24 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: SweetAkitoRose

I’ve been watching it, and find the characters a little difficult to follow at times.


3 posted on 04/23/2015 9:51:30 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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As she freely concedes, Mantel’s aim in her novel was to take down the Thomas More of A Man for All Seasons—the Thomas More the Catholic Church canonized—and her instrument for doing so is More’s rival in the court of Henry VIII, Thomas Cromwell. Hillary Mantel does not lack for chutzpah, for Cromwell has long been considered a loathsome character and More a man of singular nobility.

Long considered by those whose opinions are deemed worthy of considering, in other words.

4 posted on 04/23/2015 10:12:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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I suppose centuries of killing “heretics” had nothing to do with anti-Catholic bias? We don’t have accurate numbers, but people died — even one was too many. The Protestants won’t forget, any more than the Armenians will forget what the Turks did to them.


5 posted on 04/23/2015 10:27:59 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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Just a reminder to the universe at large that popular retellings of history aren't necessarily accurate history.

Just a reminder to the universe at large that Mantel's accusations against "Saint" Sir Thomas are not new:

Rumours circulated during and after More's lifetime regarding ill-treatment of heretics during his time as Lord Chancellor. The popular anti-Catholic polemicist John Foxe, who "placed Protestant sufferings against the background of... the Antichrist" was instrumental in publicising accusations of torture in his famous Book of Martyrs, claiming that More had often personally used violence or torture while interrogating heretics. Later authors, such as Brian Moynahan and Michael Farris, cite Foxe when repeating these allegations.
-- Michael Farris,From Tyndale to Madison, 2007.

We do know that More imprisoned heretics in his own home, and we know that during his Chancellorship heretics were burned alive. The denials of More's defenders thus ring rather hollow. There were trustworthy gaols in England. Of what possible purpose could their captivity under his personal supervision have served, if not for his perverse sadistic pleasure? Arguments that More was a delicate soul who could not have done such a thing might satisfy those whose knowledge of More is limited to Robert Bolt's fiction [every bit as fictional as Mantel's] but will not satisfy anyone who has actually read his vile exchanges with Luther and Tyndale.

The "saint" had a very nasty streak. Pointing that out is neither "anti-Catholic bigotry" nor is it a revision of history.

6 posted on 04/23/2015 10:32:57 AM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: SweetAkitoRose

Prior to my joining FR I was mostly indifferent to Catholics and Catholicism. Then I started to notice a drumbeat of passive aggressive anti-Protestant postings by Catholics and sometimes I responded and was treated to scorn, ridicule, mockery, and insults.

Granted, there were some Catholics who were open to discussion and I’ve learned from them. Thank you.

Honestly it is still the negative comments that left the most impact on me and anymore I am no longer indifferent to Catholicism.


10 posted on 04/23/2015 12:05:49 PM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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detestably self-serving, bullying monster who perfected state terror in England, cooked the evidence, and extracted confessions by torture

Gee...that could just as easily describe Cardinal Wolsey, Queen Mary Tudor and the various and sundry inquisitors imposed upon the non-Catholic Christians in England.

14 posted on 04/23/2015 10:05:32 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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One thing for certain, Thomas Cromwell went a whole lot worse than Thomas More did.


25 posted on 04/24/2015 1:17:40 PM PDT by mware
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