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To: PapaNew

” If Bruce Jenner has received Jesus Christ, he has eternal life which cannot be taken away from him because our salvation is NEVER about what we do...”

If we do not repent, and if we rejoice in sin and promote it, we have no part of God’s salvation.

“Don’t be under any illusion: you cannot make a fool of God! A man’s harvest in life will depend entirely on what he sows. If he sows for his own lower nature his harvest will be the decay and death of his own nature. But if he sows for the Spirit he will reap the harvest of everlasting life by that Spirit. Let us not grow tired of doing good, for, unless we throw in our hand, the ultimate harvest is assured.” - Paul

“When you find men who have been enlightened, who have experienced salvation and received the Holy Spirit, who have known the wholesome nourishment of the Word of God and touched the spiritual resources of the eternal world and who then fall away, it proves impossible to make them repent as they did at first. For they are re-crucifying the Son of God in their own souls, and by their conduct exposing him to shame and contempt. Ground which absorbs the rain that is constantly falling upon it and produces plants which are useful to those who cultivate it, is ground which has the blessing of God. But ground which produces nothing but thorns and thistles is of no value and is bound sooner or later to be condemned—the only thing to do is to burn it clean.” - Hebrews 6


78 posted on 04/26/2015 10:13:40 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Mr Rogers

That is telling us how we should live now that we have received Jesus, but none of it is a basis for our salvation.

We are saved by grace, not by works, and there is no condition other than calling out on the name of Jesus (Rom 10:13). There’s been a change since the cross which many ignore, but the New Covenant declared Jesus sacrifice perfect and eternal and God does not hold our sins against us (Heb 8:12,10:17).

We could go on and on like this but I’m not sure what good it will do. You are simply ignoring fact that Jesus has already paid for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), that God has done it all and IT IS FINISHED, and the terms of the New Covenant that declare he will not hold our sins against us because they were already fully judged on the body of His Son. For God to condemn Bruce after he has received Jesus is making God out to be an unjust liar.

God has done it all and all that remains is for us to accept his FREE GIFT. You put repentance as you perceive it as the requirement, although thankfully, God does not. His only requirement is receiving His Son who has done it all.

BTW, what is New Testament “repentance” anyway? It is “repentance from dead works”. What’s that? Dead works are your own righteousness and self effort to be accepted by God instead of letting Jesus’ perfect life and death be your substitute and your righteousness as a gift (Rom 5:17).


90 posted on 04/26/2015 11:23:35 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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