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Are you infallible?
One Fold ^ | December 10, 2013 | Brian Culliton

Posted on 04/28/2015 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; paladinan; RnMomof7
-— Scripture records the ordinations of bishops, priests, and deacons, by the laying on of hands by one of the Apostles and/or their successors/delegates. -—

To deny that is more proof of the dangers of Luther’s tradition of Sola Scriptura.

Uhhh....not quite.

ἐπισκοπῆς means overseer in Greek. No mention of bishop. Also notice the text indicates one aspires to this office....you're not appointed.

To deny this is to deny the Greek which is what the NT was written in.

1,301 posted on 05/07/2015 5:19:38 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Springfield Reformer
>>And then what about those "elder women?" They are not women priests. But the word is presbuteros, with a feminine ending, thus presbuteras. So here it is obvious that "priest" would be completely wrong.<<

Those women priests may have a claim if the Catholic Church stands by it's position on the word presbuteros. "Oh what tangled web they weave".

1,302 posted on 05/07/2015 5:23:45 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: roamer_1

ROFLOL!! And “only on Saturday night” doesn’t work either!


1,303 posted on 05/07/2015 5:25:11 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom
>>I would like to see someone post where that was officially rescinded.<<

I'm expecting double speak but no proof of it being rescinded.

1,304 posted on 05/07/2015 5:36:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom
>>If you can make an exception for it, then it’s really unnecessary.<<

It's necessary unless it isn't silly.

1,305 posted on 05/07/2015 5:37:17 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; RnMomof7

This just cannot be. I know “it be”, but..well, I’m at a loss for words over this. really


1,306 posted on 05/07/2015 5:47:29 PM PDT by smvoice ("It certainly looked like a small toe")
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To: Mark17

There’s tremendous freedom in knowing that your salvation is secure.

I know that some think that means freedom to sin, but they’re simply projecting. It’s what they’d do if they had the choice, if they felt they had freedom.

But the freedom is not that. It’s freedom from religious activity that accomplishes nothing in the way of salvation. It’s freedom from works and rituals and sacraments and laws and depriving yourself from things God gave us to enjoy.

It’s freedom from being a slave to sin.

It’s freedom from fear, worry, guilt, and condemnation.

It gives a peace that is beyond comprehension, that allows you to TRULY enjoy live and NOT feel guilty about having a good time.


1,307 posted on 05/07/2015 6:10:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RnMomof7

Or priests......


1,308 posted on 05/07/2015 6:10:47 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; Mark17

AMEN. It’s also having the freedom to get to know God through His Word, without fear. There was a time when I was afraid to read the Bible, because if I came across something that I could not do I was going to be condemned by God. Before a person is saved, all kinds of crazy things go through their heads!


1,309 posted on 05/07/2015 6:13:38 PM PDT by smvoice ("It certainly looked like a small toe")
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To: paladinan
This old canard of "the Catholic Church kept the Bible from people" is one of the most laughable, one of the least logical, and one of the most patently polemic-based accusations that anti-Catholic-Church people have ever concocted. Just for a sample:

Catholics prohibited from owning Scripture

COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland, Facts and Documents [illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon:

“No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.” (-D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.)

1,310 posted on 05/07/2015 6:14:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear

Of course.....

Clear as mud.....


1,311 posted on 05/07/2015 6:15:15 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone
" For those who say the masses couldn't read the Latin back in the day have you ever considered this:.. Why didn't they try to teach them to read???? "

The Catholic Church did teach people to read. They were the Continent-wide INSTITUTION that taught people to read. Latin was the only literary language in the West until Chaucer popularized a literary Middle English (14th century) and Dante a colloquial and literary Tuscan Italian (also 14th century) --- and the Church taught Latin not only for Scripture, but for philosophy, astronomy, medicine, mathematics, history, geography,physics, the Triuvium and the Quadrivium --- you know! --- architecture and public works, government, law, courts, the military, trade and commerce --- because there was a Latin-speaking-and-reading culture from Prague to Belfast and from Oslo to Palermo.

This was vastly accelerated by the Catholic Gutenberg, whose development of mechanical movable type printing started the Catholic Printing Revolution and is widely regarded as the most important event of the modern period, and led to the Catholic Renaissance and the explosive growth of printing and reading of all kinds, very much including Scripture.

For your information.

Saying the Church didn't teach the common people to read is like saying Aunt Jemima don't make pancakes.

1,312 posted on 05/07/2015 6:20:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Tolle, lege.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

...she doesn’t....she makes pancake MIX...;)


1,313 posted on 05/07/2015 6:22:47 PM PDT by smvoice ("You will be suspected until you are cleared of all suspicion...."...)
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To: smvoice

It’s amazing what the enemy will do to keep people from the word.


1,314 posted on 05/07/2015 6:23:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: smvoice

OK OK OK!


1,315 posted on 05/07/2015 6:32:15 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Tolle, lege.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Point is they didn't attempt to teach them to read the Word in their native language. They kept it Latin for a reason.

They didn't want the common folk to read the Word....notice the Reformation happened as the Word became more available.

Your own USCCB admits catholics were not encouraged to read the Word until the 20th century.

1,316 posted on 05/07/2015 6:35:27 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom

Yep. Especially when doing His great commission for the body of Christ: Preaching reconciliation between man and God. Once a person is saved (reconciled to God) by the finished work of Christ (2 Cor. 5:14-21), that person becomes an ambassador for Him (2Cor. 6:1). But if that person thinks he must constantly have to keep his eye on himself (in order to GET saved), he cannot possibly get his eye on his brother. And the enemy wins another soul.


1,317 posted on 05/07/2015 6:38:48 PM PDT by smvoice ("You will be suspected until you are cleared of all suspicion...."...)
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To: metmom
I know that some think that means freedom to sin, but they’re simply projecting. It’s what they’d do if they had the choice, if they felt they had freedom.

I believe you are correct. It has been pointed out to a number of people, that this is BOGUS, but it does not seem to sink in. I won't mention any names, but the guilty parties know who they are. 😃

It’s freedom from religious activity that accomplishes nothing in the way of salvation. It’s freedom from works and rituals and sacraments and laws and depriving yourself from things God gave us to enjoy. It’s freedom from being a slave to sin. It’s freedom from fear, worry, guilt, and condemnation.

Yes, freedom from all those false religious rites and rituals. We are not slaves to sin anymore. We are free to do what we should, not to do what we please. Once again, not brain surgery.

It gives a peace that is beyond comprehension, that allows you to TRULY enjoy live and NOT feel guilty about having a good time.

I agree, but just a point of clarification, so one of those previously mentioned guilty parties does not deliberately misinterpret that. When we have a good time, we don't mean going out and getting drunked up, and all kinds of other stupid things. We mean we go to church, prayer meetings, we go to Jack's Ridge, we go see a hockey game. Good clean fun, but not evil things. Everyone should try it. 😎

1,318 posted on 05/07/2015 6:52:25 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forever more endure.)
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To: Mark17
Colossians 2:16-23 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.

If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

Sound familiar?

1,319 posted on 05/07/2015 6:57:19 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone
Your own USCCB admits catholics were not encouraged to read the Word until the 20th century.

When I was a catholic, I don't recall if they even hinted that I could not read the Bible, but wouldn't that be like a bull fighter putting a cape in front of a bull?

1,320 posted on 05/07/2015 7:08:40 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forever more endure.)
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