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To: Mark17
LOL, the works based religion (WBR) I was in, WAS the Roman Catholic Church. MHG knew exactly what I meant.

Then you didn't have a good understanding of it while you were in it, FRiend. The Catholic Church is not a "works-based" religion, in the least; it's absolutely impossible for any human to "work" his way into Heaven (as if he somehow had some "right" to "earn" Heaven by mere human efforts); every faithful and well-informed Catholic knows that, and this has been taught by the Catholic Church for 200 years.

I am not into WBRs

Nor am I. That's my point: your portrayal of the Catholic Church is rather severely warped... as a glance at the Catechism of the Catholic Church (and, perhaps, a willingness not to sneer at "all things Catholic" simply out of emotional bias and revulsion) could easily tell you.

no matter if they think God saves 95% and they save 5% of themselves,

Good grief. Do you see, now, why I say that your portrayal of the Catholic Church is distorted? The very idea of "5% (or any % above zero) saving themselves" is imaginary nonsense! Where do you get that sort of idea, anyway? Was it from those who hate the Catholic Church, and who want to tarnish Her? It certainly wasn't from any true Catholic teaching...

and stop the Luther fixation. I am not positive what Luther believed and I don't follow him.

I have no "Luther fixation"; I mention him only because he was one of the main progenitors of the errors of "sola Scriptura", "sola fide", and other such unbiblical bits of nonsense which form the basis of Protestantism (and of all non-Catholic fundamentalist divisions who have inherited those errors). To the extent that you believe "sola Scriptura" and "sola fide", you most certainly ARE following Luther, though you might be doing so unwittingly.

Have a nice eternity. Maybe I will see you at the pearly gates.

:) I certainly hope so! Pray for me, and I'll pray for you, to that end!
787 posted on 05/01/2015 7:33:53 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan; metmom; boatbums; MHGinTN; smvoice
First let me say, I hate Latin. I hated it when I was a catholic altar boy. I hated it when I took it at the catholic high school I went to. I prefer to use English words. Only scripture and only faith. Yes, I ONLY accept that. Nothing else. On that, we will probably have to agree to disagree, probably forever. Maybe we do not mean the same thing by WBR. let me give you my definition. A WBR, to me, means it is a combination of faith and good works, either to get saved, or stay saved. If it is 95% faith, and 5% works, to endure, or to keep it, it is a WBR. I do not accept that. If the Catholic Church is not a WBR, according to that definition, then those priests and nuns gave me some bad information. Without trying to mind read, I have a feeling I know what you are thinking. You might possibly be thinking that I believe I can get saved by faith and then live like Hell. Am I right? I can answer that thought with one word: NO. It can't be done.

Now, I would like to hear your plan of salvation. What will you use to get to Heaven? Preferably the short and to the point version. I will pray that we see each other at the Pearly Gates. 🇵🇭😎🙉🙈🙊

800 posted on 05/01/2015 8:36:36 AM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forever more endure.)
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