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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear; Mark17; MHGinTN
Are you certain you want to go there, editor? First,let's get it straight that Peter and the 11 were given the power, BY CHRIST, to bind and loosen on earth, and it would be bound or loosed in heaven. If you cannot see that, there is no point in continuing.

Please read and reread Acts, Chapter 1 until you get it straight about what was happening. Judas had killed himself, Peter and the now 10 had to replace him, Read verse 25. There HAD to be TWELVE Apostles on the day of Pentecost. WHY? Because Israel was going to be offered the KINGDOM and if they repented and accepted Christ as Messiah, HE would have returned AT THAT TIME to set up His Kingdom, and we KNOW from Matthew 19:28 that there will be TWELVE Apostles, sitting on TWELVE THRONES, with Christ, judging the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL during the Millenial Reign.

I'll give you the MOST SIMPLE reason why Paul could NEVER have been one of the TWELVE: verses 21,22. He was NOT with Christ and the 11 "all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us." Get it?

Jesus Christ did NOT want Paul as the TWELFTH APOSTLE because Paul could NOT BE the TWELFTH APOSTLE. To make him the 12th would have made GOD a liar, since God is the one who made the 12 Apostle rule of verses 21,22.

Are you calling God a liar?

Peter and the 12 PRAYED about this choice, and ASKED GOD TO SHEW THEM WHETHER OF THESE TWO HE HAST CHOSEN." (Acts 1:24). Are you saying they didn't really pray about it, that they lied, or that God lied by really wanting Paul as the 12th, and being unhappy about the choice the 11 made, rushed Matthias off the scene as soon as Paul could be saved? Show me in Scripture where ANY of this resides. I've given you Scripture after Scripture showing you exactly what Acts says happened. Show me where it says something different. Or stop posting garbage.

And one more thing, just in case you are going to accuse me of lying that Israel was going to be offered the kingdom and Christ would have returned had they accepted Him as Messish, read Acts Chapter 2 again. Esp. v. 16,17,18,19,20,21. "THIS IS THAT spoken of by the prophet Joel." THIS is WHAT? THE LAST DAYS, v. 17. And what did Joel prophesy would happen in the last days? v. 17-20. And what would have been the grand finale of the signs, wonders, miracles? v. 20. THAT GREAT AND NOTABLE DAY OF THE LORD. When He returns and all Israel is saved. The Millenial Reign begins and well, you know the rest. ...I guess...

Now I'm sure you're wondering about the rest of the Bible: Paul and the Gentiles. That is the whole point of Paul's entire ministry: THE GENTILES. How WE could be saved and blessed when Israel was rejecting Christ and they were to be a nation of priests that would bring salvation to the Gentiles. Without this dispensation of grace, editor, we would be EXACTLY as Ephesians 2:11,12 describes us. THIS is why Paul was not one of the twelve. His commission was to the Gentiles, to bring the grace of God to us during this time of Israel's defiance and blindness.

818 posted on 05/01/2015 10:43:39 AM PDT by smvoice ("It certainly looked like a small toe")
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To: smvoice

Ah, dispy-wisdom. Selah!


819 posted on 05/01/2015 10:49:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: smvoice; CynicalBear; Mark17; MHGinTN

I read your first sentence and went no further.

Are you a catholic? They believe what you do.

Yeshua did not give any man on earth the power to commit the Holy Spirit to anything!

That is what apostleship comes from.

It is an anointing of the full power of the Holy Spirit, and it can only come from Yeshua.

Matthias might have been a wonderful disciple, but he was not an apostle.

Believe whatever you wish to believe.


825 posted on 05/01/2015 1:48:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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