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To: stanne; ebb tide
St. Francis, "a man who was truly Catholic and apostolic," in the same admirable fashion that he had attended to the reformation of the faithful, so likewise set about personally and commanded his disciples to occupy themselves before everything else with the conversion of the heathen to the Faith and Law of Christ.

-Pope Pius XI, Rite Expiatis, 1926

St Francis worked for the conversion of non-Catholics. The pre-VII Church worked for the conversion of non-Catholics because it truly taught and believed in "Outside the Catholic Church there is No Salvation". The post VII Church teaches false ecumenism.

59 posted on 05/03/2015 4:54:32 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
"Outside the Catholic Church there is No Salvation"

Scripture reveals to us that "[God] desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

So God must provide a means of salvation for people who are ignorant of Christ and His Church, through no fault of their own.

At the same time, their salvation must come about through Christ's atoning death and resurrection, the graces of which are mediated through His Church, which is His Body.

How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
(CCC 846).
What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means
60 posted on 05/03/2015 5:17:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: piusv

Thank you for finding that and pasting

Working for the conversion of non Catholics, and that includes people who are catholic by baptism but who do not follow the teachings of the Chlurxh, IS what Catholics do

Working for the conversion of souls IS what St. Francis advised us to do

Working for the conversion of souls is what this bishop did in his extensive study of biblical theology and philosophy and in his many years of teaching faith formation

Working for the conversion of souls is what them
Pope John Paul II did his while life, as in when he hid from the nazis in Poland preserving himself to later pparticipate in the Second Vatican Council and then in treating the Muslim, who shot him, with love from God, and forgiving him, and later visiting him after his conversion o the Catholic faith

JPII didnt actually convert the shooter, of course, but he did, naturally, work, for the guy’s conversion

JPII would never take credit for that conversion by saying he converted the guy

You should read the story.

I would never be able to convert a Catholic who despises Vatcan II, into a person who doesn’t despise it, but I can suggest learning more about it, how some priests practice the liturgy by interpreting Vatican II by reading it, praying the Mass in keeping with it, but maintaining reverence lost by the American church’s interpretation of it

And I’ll expect all the flame and hope for your sake I don’t get the flames due any missionary


63 posted on 05/03/2015 7:14:53 AM PDT by stanne
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