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It seems to me that a lot of these discussions are tied to our addiction to a time line. We have to see things as happening in time. God is not bound by time. That’s a mystery that we cannot fully understand but accept by faith. I tell our son that he is sealed with the mark of the Holy Spirit through Baptism and Confirmation. This sort of drives him crazy since he is “unchurched” at the moment. But every chance I get I tell him, “God bless you.”


2 posted on 05/17/2015 6:07:50 AM PDT by Mercat (Release the HildeKraken)
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To: Mercat; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
I tell our son that he is sealed with the mark of the Holy Spirit through Baptism and Confirmation. This sort of drives him crazy

And it is "crazy," as the Holy Spirit distinctly states that repentance and wholehearted faith are required for baptism, (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37) and nowhere manifestly records an infant being baptized, which circumcision (Col. 2:11) only has limited correspondence to (in being a figure), while Peter testified how God purified the hearts of souls by faith, before baptism. (Acts 10:43:47; 15:7-9)

Moreover, spiritual dead clergy cannot convey the Holy Spirit, while there simply is no separate class of believers distinctively titled "priests," the distinctive word for which the Holy Spirit never uses for NT pastors. See here to save my typing again.

20 posted on 05/17/2015 9:54:00 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Mercat
I tell our son that he is sealed with the mark of the Holy Spirit through Baptism and Confirmation.

He apparently knows the truth, whereas you only have unwarranted fideism in a mirage. Whatever you and/or your church have done cannot grant him justification from his Sin and sins before The God. Only his irreversible commitment to the Jesus of the Bible pursuant to regeneration in the spirit by The Word of The Holy Spirit can do that.

(1 John 3:9)

22 posted on 05/17/2015 11:56:10 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Mercat; daniel1212; imardmd1
That’s a mystery that we cannot fully understand but accept by faith. I tell our son that he is sealed with the mark of the Holy Spirit through Baptism and Confirmation.

See ,that is not "faith" in God, that is faith in your church

No where does the scripture tell us Baptism seals anyone with the Holy Spirit.. and there is no such thing as "confirmation " in the NT

It is our faith alone in Christ for our salvation that seals us.. your son has no "seal" if he has not trusted in Christ

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,(Eph1:13)

27 posted on 05/17/2015 2:42:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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