The question has never been about dates or charts.
The question IS about God’s nature.
IF there is a true wrath from God (the tribulation) can the Church suffer that wrath?
Can a believer who is covered with the blood of the Son and indwelt by the Holy Spirit be subject to the wrath of the Father?
I think not. So just as Enoch was taken out before the first wrath, so shall we.
A believer covered with the blood of the Son will be subject to the wrath of man, as we see now in Iraq, etc. The problem with pre-trib theory is that it ignores the severe persecution that the world will inflict before the wrath of God occurs. And the church is not prepared for it. In the 1940's the Chinese expected the rapture and were suddenly surprised by the Communists.
Amen, Amen, Amen.
After WWIII, there will be a “Final Harvest” preceding the “Rapture” or “catching away of the believers”.
You’re correct; the GOD who sent us HIS SON to save us from sin and destruction; and to save us from eternal damnation. Therefore, I totally believe the Tribulation will not occur until after the Church has left the earth.
Then, we will return from Heaven with the Lord.
the Church will not go through the tribulation, the 7 yer tribulation, but genuine believers have been slaughtered for centuries
it is a great misunderstanding to think that believers will never be in dire peril of their lives
I agree that the question IS about God’s Nature.
however, let’s look a little closer at your supposition - That the Tribulation is the wrath of God.
It will be given to the “king” to do what he pleases - (this “king” of the earth at the time is the AntiChrist). This is the first half of the tribulation. This is NOT the wrath of God, it’s the AntiChrist’s wrath.
Now, IF the antichrist is decimating folks, who do you think he’s decimating? A house divided does not stand.
The whole idea that believers will not be harmed in any way is a pipe dream. Tell that to the 1st century Christians, and Christians being persecuted all over the world today.
Also, the ecangelization of humankind during the Tribulation is done by The Jews, not The Church, so we gotta be gone by then.
IF there is a true wrath
from God (the tribulation) can the Church suffer that wrath?
Of course there is true wrath from God. It is revealed from heaven against ALL unrighteousness... Romans 1:18. All but one of the apostles were martyred! We still need to fear God.
So just as Enoch was taken out before the first wrath, so shall we.
Christ wasn't taken away prior to the Crucifixion and as I read the New Testament we're to take up our cross and follow Christ, not Enoch.
Of course, being rescued from the roof of an embassy or survival bunker by a solid gold Huey after Christ surrenders to Satan and before the real persecution begins does sell a lot more books than suffering with Christ ever will.
Does wrath equal the great tribulation?
Maybe the great tribulation is the last straw that triggers the wrath of God. Just as God waited for the iniquity of the Amorites to be complete(Genesis 15) before he allowed Israel to enter the promised land, perhaps God will wait with patience in the last days for the iniquity of the world to be complete before sending His wrath.
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>> “IF there is a true wrath from God (the tribulation) can the Church suffer that wrath?” <<
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That question is a nonsequitur.
The tribulation is Satan’s wrath, not Gods.
God’s wrath comes after the trib is over, after we are resurrected at the Last Trump. God’s wrath is the bowl judgements, which last ten days, after which we return with Yeshua to reign with him for 1000 years.
All of Yeshua’s bride will remain on Earth through the trib, but as he promised the Philadelphians, those that have kept his feasts, and his commandments will be protected through the trib in a place he prepares in the desert.
Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology are equally wrong, and both completely apart from the word of God.
There is one word, and one covenant, which was renewed in Yeshua’s blood at the crucifixion.
“So just as Enoch was taken out before the first wrath, so shall we.”
Enoch has nothing to do with it. Noah, however, does. And Noah was not taken out before the first wrath (Noah’s Flood), Noah was taken through. All those not in the Ark were taken out, taken to Judgement.