Posted on 05/26/2015 1:05:01 PM PDT by piusv
"I feel like saying something that may sound controversial or even heretical. But there is someone who knows that despite our differences we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he that is persecuting Christians today; he who is anointing us with the blood of martyrdom, knows that Christians are disciples of Christ. That we are one, that we are brothers! He doesn't care if they are Evangelicals, Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic. He doesn't care! They are Christians."
God bless and keep you and everyone precious to you, dearest SumProVita.
Is that a quote? Who said it? Do you have it in the original language?
LOL. We Methodists are a strange people in that regard. We can't have raffles, but we can have drawings. Please, please, please, please, please....don't ask me to explain the difference.
And we vote against Casinos, but throwing baseballs at stacked bottles at the annual bazaar is fine and dandy.
Anyone habla Español? Here is the actual video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOGfKeDKy8
Are the subtitles accurate?
From "Memoirs of an Exorcist: My Life Fighting Satan" by Fr. Gabriele Amorth:
"...When you make a pact with Satan, you come to know from the devil himself that the only true religion is the Catholic Christian one, loyal to the Pope. That's why he fights so hard against it. The other Christian religions are just tolerated, but he favors Buddhism and "Mahometanism" because they are false religions..."
As long as that member of a church believes in God as a start.
ROTFLOLOLOL.
See my FR mail reply to you!
Raised in your flock!
Hilarious!
Pray for the Pope.
Amen!
**What’s heretical about this statement? The pope seems to be saying that Satan is promoting the persecution of Christians, regardless of their denomination. Why is that heretical?**
Its not.
I do NOT reject that the Church is the one true Church, but I do believe that all followers and believers in Jesus Christ are Christians.
If what’s in your post is what he said, I don’t see anything wrong with it.
Another quote says that if a person is a heretic and dies, the followers will scatter. I believe it’s from St. Paul.
During the Council, Pope Eugenius, bishop, servant of the servants of God, Session 8—22 November 1439 [Bull of union with the Armenians] had this to say about Christians:
Sixthly, we offer to the envoys that compendious rule of the faith composed by most blessed Athanasius, which is as follows:
Whoever wills to be saved, before all things it is necessary that he holds the catholic faith. Unless a person keeps this faith whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish eternally. The catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in unity, neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
...It is also necessary for salvation to believe faithfully the incarnation of our lord Jesus Christ. The right faith, therefore, is that we believe and confess that our lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, is God and man. God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the ages; and man, of the substance of his mother, born in the world. Perfect God, perfect man, subsisting of a rational soul and human flesh.
I read your quotation, but in the version I read, both “Catholic” and “Church” were rendered “catholic” and “church,” consistent with the quotations above.
Just some thoughts...
https://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM
As an ex-Catholic, I have no interest in echeumenism.
What is heretical about John 17?
John 17
1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify thy Son that the Son may glorify thee,
2 since thou hast given him power over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom thou hast given him.
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
4 I glorified thee on earth, having accomplished the work which thou gavest me to do;
5 and now, Father, glorify thou me in thy own presence with the glory which I had with thee before the world was made.
6 “I have manifested thy name to the men whom thou gavest me out of the world; thine they were, and thou gavest them to me, and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they know that everything that thou hast given me is from thee;
8 for I have given them the words which thou gavest me, and they have received them and know in truth that I came from thee; and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I am praying for them; I am not praying for the world but for those whom thou hast given me, for they are thine;
10 all mine are thine, and thine are mine, and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 But now I am coming to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.
18 As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth.
20 “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
23 I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world has not known thee, but I have known thee; and these know that thou hast sent me.
26 I made known to them thy name, and I will make it known, that the love with which thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.”
Read through this thread.
And Froman Catholics call us hateful.
Found no where in scripture ...man made doctrine
Found no where in scripture ...man made doctrine
And they are right.. Rome uses us to hell.. so implying that is not where we are all going is a Roman heresy
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