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To: StormPrepper; RnMomof7
We are not born enemies of God. We all start out clean. If it were not so, God would be a respecter of persons. If a person commits no sin, by what law are they condemned? People are not created so God can send them to hell.

This should be a new thread...

However, Romans 5:10 does note we are enemies of God prior to being reconciled to Him. There is no age limit on this.

We do not start out clean. That may be in the Doctrines and Covenants but it's not in the Word.

For all of our catholic friends out there, this is why Christians discount your tradition....it opens up the door to anyone else's books.

382 posted on 05/28/2015 9:42:43 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
However, Romans 5:10 does note we are enemies of God prior to being reconciled to Him. There is no age limit on this.

Romans 5 is profound and pretty amazing actually. I appreciate the Catholics for preserving it as long as they did so that we might have it.

I don't fault you for not completely understanding what Paul's saying here. You've only allowed yourself to view a few letters written to some people who died 2000 yrs ago to be your only source for all matter pertaining to God.

With that limited view you can't possibly come to a knowledge of the truth.

Romans 5:
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


What Paul is saying is that because of the original sin of the one man or Adam, which caused all people to die, through the righteousness of one, or Jesus Christ, life is brought to man as a free gift. All men.

The original sin of Adam is done away by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and is a free gift to all.

Paul taught the same thing to the people at Corinth:
1 Cor 15:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


The original sin of Adam is done away by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Therefore, we are born clean. We are not sinners, until we actually sin.

Romans 5:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


Although I can find this in more detail in other places I find it interesting Paul would mentions it here. If there is no law then there is no sin. Therefore if God doesn't apply the law to you, you cannot break the law, therefore you have not sinned. Which is the case with little children. They are not capable of breaking any laws of God. Therefore they have not sinned and are not enemies to God.

I of course have more than the Bible to call upon to get a correct understanding.

I put Paul's writings with those of Moroni in the Book of Mormon and I get a clear understanding.
Moroni 8:12
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach—repentance and baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little children.

11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.

12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!


God loves little Children and condemns no one to hell just for being born. This is part of the plan of God and the miracle of the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
403 posted on 05/28/2015 12:58:27 PM PDT by StormPrepper
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