Posted on 05/28/2015 8:12:00 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Stupid “apologetics” from the Proddie camp deserves the contempt it gets.
And when you ask for some kind of scriptural support for such beliefs you get...
And there’s not a person on earth excepting Jesus, who ever did that or is capable of doing that.
No idea what your point is.....
Some are really good at that. They deny emptied praying to Mary when there are sites with nothing but prayers to her. There are pictures of people bowing to dead people, bones, body parts, etc. There is even a picture of the pope kissing the Quran. I just do not understand why they keep defending them. Many do not seem to know what the Bible says and what is worse, they do not care. As long as the pope says something, it has to be right. How can anyone put that trust in one man? Then they bring up a few Protestants for wrong doing when it is obvious they never accepted Christ in the first place. I avoid people like that. It is a great thing that Luther did what he did. He saw something was wrong and tried to correct it. More people should have that much courage.
She does a great job.
Nobody really can qualify being a saint based on personal holiness of life even though it may appear so from outward appearances.
Nobody knows the heart and the thoughts in a person’s heart and mind.
Canonization is only based on outward appearances.
If it’s so stupid, you should have no trouble refuting it point by point.
Go ahead.
Show us Scriptural justification for the whole practice.
B: People are considered "good" or "bad" (not even getting into the whole canonization thing) based on their words and deeds, not "appearances". This is the only possible way we, as humans, can and should judge "good" from "bad". Actions speak louder than words, as they say. Are you saying that there is no one, living or dead, that you believe to be a good person, because you can't read their thoughts??!?!? Ridiculous.
It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it. Heaven or Hell, however. Why would anyone take an awful, terrifying, horrible chance, by struggling their entire life, never knowing if they have done enough to earn Heaven, and sink into the tomb without one ray of hope of ever making it? If they don't make it, they are eternally up a creek. Why would anyone do that? Oh well, I simply refuse to wait till I kick the bucket to know for sure.
The sounds of silence.
Simon and Garfunkel?
LOL! I knew that’s what would come to mind.
Must have hit home when the name calling shows up!
Would love for the catholic to show us where this is squared away with the Word.
I'll start painting my house while we wait.
Or things like: Heb 12:1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses,
Oh yes so the "great cloud of witnesses" is this giant universe of "saints" who are witnessing our lives and prayers and taking them to the bigger God using their special saintly influence to get-er-done when our pathetic prayer directly to the Father yields unsatisfactory results.
So there is dissatisfaction with the simplicity of the practice of Christianity per the bible. Dissatisfaction with the work of the Cross and dissatisfaction with the effectiveness of prayers to the Father. So when Christianity doesn't satisfy, add more stuff.
Good grief, I actually thought Catholics were smarter than this. The depth of their pagan idolatry is incredible. Very little, if any, difference between these patron “saints” they conjure up, and the gods of the pagans.
Thank God for the reformers who went against these abominations, and at the risk of their lives to do so.
And thanks to you for posting this. I learn a lot on FR.
Simon and Garfunkel
I was in Jr High catechism class. A "brother" (but he was white) was "teaching" the class.
I'm guessing that he was going through some "troubled water" at the time. He was young - probably in his 20s.
He was taken with Simon and Garfunkel, and the album "The Graduate." I think the head of his order at his monastery wouldn't let the brothers have albums, or unapproved music, or something. Anyway, he couldn't get his hands on any of the songs.
I volunteered to bring in the songs (recorded on my 5-inch Tandy RS reel-to-reel) recorder at the next class.
He especially wanted "Sounds of Silence" - I think he was depressed. Who wouldn't be - given his circumstances?
He was pretty upset at the next class because I brought in the movie sound track version and it wasn't complete. He needed all the words in order to soothe his mood.
He didn't like me anymore after I let him down.
I wonder what ever happened to him...
These were the days when the RCC was looking at acoustic guitars as edgy and somewhat radical -- especially when played in the Mass.
...when we couldn't eat meat on Friday. Even the public schools served fish on Friday.
Wow.
How times and traditions change.
The above are the work of the Holy Spirit of God, not the Vatican.
My small school served fish on Fridays for the 3 families who were Catholics. The rest of us did not think anything about it since we loved fish any day of the week. Then they changed.
Yes, and he is free to operate that headship through any agents he choses.
Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 16:17-19)The "keys to the kingdom" are a specific reference to the office of the Master of the Palace, i.e. vicar, in Isaiah 22:15-25. To reject the authority given to Peter and his successors by Jesus Christ is to reject Jesus Christ himself.When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?”* He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “Feed my sheep." (John 21:15-17)
Prayer is to be directed towards God alone.
Worship yes, prayer no. Nowhere in the Bible does it forbid asking those in Heaven to pray for us. Paul asks others to pray for him: "at the same time, pray for us, too, that God may open a door to us for the word, to speak of the mystery of Christ, for which I am in prison, that I may make it clear, as I must speak."(Colossians 4:3-4). Asking prayers of others does not offend God. Nor is there any injunction against asking for the prayers of those in Heaven. To say otherwise is just an attempt to impose Protestant opinion.
Veneration is to be directed towards God alone.
Again, worship yes, veneration no. Even God commands us to honor our parents. It is an act of calumny (and thus the sin of bearing false witness) to confuse worship and veneration.
People are made saints by faith in the Person and work of Christ alone.
This goes to the error of sola fide, which is nowhere to be found in the Bible. The arguments against it well known so there is no need to repeat them here.
In the end, what appears at first sight to be Biblical attacks against the Catholic understanding of the saints is nothing more than non-Biblical Protestant opinion.
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