Posted on 05/28/2015 6:18:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Fox News contributor Bernard Goldberg told Bill O’Reilly last week that Republicans live in fear of “the organized Christian right.”
Goldberg and O’Reilly were discussing presidential candidate Ted Cruz, who recently asked a local reporter in Texas if the left — including the media — is obsessed with sex, after reporters repeatedly badgered him with questions about gay marriage and homosexuality. Both said that Cruz handled the question well, even though Goldberg admitted, “I’m not a fan of Ted Cruz.” But Goldberg had more to say.
“Ted Cruz could have said, of course, I have no animosity against gay Americans. Next question,” Goldberg said. “But you know why he didn’t? Because every Republican lives in fear of the organized Christian right. There may not be a lot of people in the organized Christian right, but they have a very big megaphone, and [Republicans] live in daily and deathly fear of what they would do…if you even say, ‘Oh, I have no animosity against gays,’ that’s what they’re afraid of.”
He added, “There are more than a few conservative Christians — I’m not saying a majority or anything like that — more than a few who not only are against gay marriage, Bill, but detest gays, period.”
Goldberg offered the hate mail he receives as proof of the Scary Christian Right Wing Monster.
“I know this because when I come on this program and say I’m for gay marriage, I don’t only get e-mails from people who are against it — fair enough. Reasonable people can disagree on that,” he said. “I get e-mails from people who write the most vile things about gays, and they proclaim their Christianity. And I know for a fact that you get the same kind of e-mails.”
Goldberg didn’t say how many of these hateful emails he’s received — five…ten…fifty? But he paints an evocative tale of a breathtakingly powerful Christian group — one that threatens to bring down the entire GOP — fueled by shadowy figures who refuse to evolve on marriage. And they’re all sitting in their parents’ basements in their underpants sending Goldberg emails or something.
Bill O’Reilly, who has 3.3 million viewers on an average night, countered, “I have to say, I don’t get many of those. And the fringe is different. ”
“Wait, wait. Hold on. I’m not willing to accept that it’s a fringe — you don’t know what percent — percentage it is, and I don’t know what percentage it is. I know it’s too many,” and animated Goldberg shot back.
So according to Bernie, it’s not a fringe and it’s “more than a few conservative Christians,” but not “a majority or anything.” So, somewhere between a fringe and the majority, I guess.
Which means he’s willing to entertain the possibility that these “vile” emails are representative of Christianity in the main.
Goldberg didn’t say what criteria he uses to judge these “vile” emails. If a Christian emails him and says she believes the traditional Christian teaching that unrepentant homosexuals (and thieves and liars, et al) are in danger of eternal punishment, does that go onto the “vile” pile on Goldberg’s desk?
But I have yet to see the man who could take apart the left wing media and stomp on the pieces the way Newt did.
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And he did that magnificently. But he is a one-trick pony.
well played
Fear God.
christianphobia is a bigger problem than islamophobia
It is an abomination. I read that someplace.
I wish that Jews like him would just stop this stuff. They know that no one is going to call them out this stuff and ask them to admit their prejudice against conservative Christians. He throws out the gay marriage thing as bait and then gets to pretend to be so holy when he gets tomatoes thrown at him.
The real question here for those running for the Presidency is not whether their religious faith holds that homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage would be forbidden by God as they understand him. The real question is whether in purely secular civil matters according to the equal protection clause Amendment XIV, gay adults should be entitled to the privileges and protections of civil marriage just like other (heterosexual) adults.
Amendment XIV SECTION. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Huckabee would impose his personal religious creed on the civil law. That, and his support of big central social programs are, why I oppose him.
Would Cruz do the same as a “Constitutional Conservative”? Or would Cruz make a demarcation between the civil and the religious, - supporting equity in civil marriage, while supporting religious institutions and individuals First Amendment Rights to conscience in not accepting homosexuality and not performing gay marriage or personal services as part of such a marriage? So far I think he has just punted the issue to state jurisdiction under the 10th.
“Christian” sects that oppose gay marriage should recall that mainstream Episcopal and Presbyterian sects do accept homosexuality and gay marriage. Opposition to homosexuality is not a universal Christian God thing, but mainly an Evangelical one.
The use of “Bible versus” as authority is very irritating to those who do not embrace the words of the Bible as God’s literal word. It is particularly irritating when it is used to cut off debate or to justify imposing ones “Christian” beliefs on someone else as a moral or legal standard of conduct by which they should be judged. The law serves that purpose limited by the Constitution. This is why Islam is now coming into direct conflict with the rights of people protected by the Constitution. The Constitution trumps religion, whether Christian or Muslim, as an enforceable standard of conduct.
Wishing ill on people for consensual acts that have in no way harm others. Constantly referring to all homosexuals in the most crude and derogatory terms possible. Rejoicing at the prospect of them burning in hell for eternity. That sort of thing. I'm not saying it's the norm, but it's here.
I'm neither a Christian nor an expert on scripture, so I'll just say you are entitled to your religious views. Only you know in your heart if you hate homosexuals or not. If not then you have no reason to be offended. But you might want to consider that homosexuality as practiced in Biblical times was not between consenting adults. Historically it was almost always something inflicted by those in power over the powerless (children and slaves). If you recall, in the story of Sodom the crowd wanted to rape two strangers (God's angels). You can take that for what it's worth.
One more point. Relying on religious argument on public policy issues is counterproductive with anyone who does not share your religious beliefs. If opponents of same sex marriage can’t or won’t make arguments not based on religion, we will continue to lose on the issue. I have talked with several younger people who literally have never heard an argument against it that wasn’t religious based. My argument to them was based on adoption, that it’s preferable for children to be raised by a mother and father, because each brings different qualities. Two moms or two dads is simply not the same thing. Right now adoption agencies can give preference to heterosexual couples based on the fact that they are married. Once homosexuals can marry that will be gone. They had truly never thought about that, and just assumed any opposition was due to bigotry. I don’t know if I changed their minds, but at least I made them think about it.
Catholics remain in opposition as well.
Are you claiming gay marriage is a constitutional right based on the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?
Your lack of religious faith and understanding of basic nature/reality is very irritating to those who believe in morality and the natural order of things, but we’ll tolerate it.
Yes, that is sarcasm. Implicit in your post is your sincere belief that your arguments and opinions are reasonable and an accurate interpretation of the US Constitution.
Constitution. You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
Point out your primary sources on Amendment XIV’s debate to amend on the insistence that innate qualities equal unnatural non-sensible behaviors.
Original intent or do you support infallible “relative” readings in Constitutional law not even based on common law/natural law from which the charter sprang from.
It is my sense that a whole lot of conservatives are now withdrawing from the hubbub until a clear choice is made for Presidential candidate. So much permanent damage to our culture and country has been wrought; and the media (including all the conservative media) have become nothing more than a bunch of wind-up toys. Once a candidate is chosen, conservatives will either sit out the election altogether out of disgust, or jump in with both feet. Meanwhile, the talking heads can chase their tails and spin off whatever credibility they have left. We are sick of coat-holders, we need a leader.
Exactly! Methinks the constitution does not mean what the poster thinks it means. Where does it say homosexual acts are protected behavior? Please note that religious freedom is a clearly enumerated right. Sexual preference? Not so much.
I have no problem whatsoever with Catholics who believe in and follow scripture. I believe we’re on the same team. What I do take issue with are Christians who attempt to rewrite scripture to mean what it clearly does not say. They are far, far worse than heathens in my book.
Imagine a homosexual who goes to one of the fallen denominations for guidance and is told not to worry. His sin is not sin. Can you imagine what will happen to teachers who lead sinners further astray? The Bible is quite clear on that, too.
I know my words fall mostly on deaf ears, but honestly, don’t these “teachers” read scripture?
He is right about one thing. Republicans fear the organized Christain right...except the Republicans call them the Tea Party. In the minds of the GOP-e they are one in the same.
Better to have a millstone tied around their neck and be cast into the sea...
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