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To: Gluteus Maximus; Salvation
Annalex seems to think that the RCC's insistence on the clerical celibacy rule is part and parcel of the RCC's powerful witness to the world of the godly, sexually chaste life.

I don't "seem" to think, I just think, and I believe I express myself clearly. No?

Of course celibacy in itself is a witness, and the only way to drive the lavender mafia out is to insist on it.

Or do you seem to think that giving horny men a sexual outlet will make them a better witness for Christ?

Here's interesting read:

This should be a wake-up call for all Christians in Britain. It is time for Protestants who have complacently dismissed church abuse as a “Catholic problem” to face the reality that abuse is endemic across denominations. As a Christian, and as someone who writes and teaches about religion and sexuality, I have heard far more stories of sexual abuse than I can count – along with stories of cover-ups, sexist responses, victim-blaming and repeated failures to take allegations seriously.

In terms of abuse in British churches, the 1,885 cases announced by the Methodists are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg.

Only a few years after the Catholic child abuse scandals, we are on the brink of a new scandal. This time it will be about abuse across churches, probably mostly of adults. It can no longer be blamed simply on Catholic doctrine or clerical celibacy.

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’


54 posted on 05/29/2015 7:09:36 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Of course celibacy in itself is a witness, and the only way to drive the lavender mafia out is to insist on it.

You're not understanding the concept of "regulatory capture." The RCC's regulators - the ones who should be insisting on godly conduct among priests - are themselves thoroughly infiltrated and subverted by the lavender mafia. In fact, they really are the leaders of the lavender mafia in the RCC.

Good heavens, do you suppose Cardinal Bernadine of Chicago or Bishop Weakland of Milwaukee would ever actually enforce celibacy among the priests subordinated to them? Quite obviously, the answer is no.

This is why it breaks my heart to hear Salvation pin all hope on a new reform movement to weed out gays at the seminary level. Sorry, but that obviously is mere window dressing. The lavender mafia - which reaches into the heart of the Vatican and all the way down to the parish level - will simply subvert the effort, and indeed ultimately turn it to their collective benefit, ensuring that even more homosexual men are ordained.

It's like the way the Goldman Sachs et al have captured the federal financial regulators. In 2008 Hank Paulsen - an inner sanctum member of the banker clique if there ever was one - wasn't about to do what he should have done as an independent regulator and let Goldman Sachs et al take their lumps.

Truly, just like the case of Hank Paulsen regulating the financial sector, with the RCC we have a "fox guarding the henhouse" situation.

I agree that we must "insist" on sexual morality, especially among the clergy, but we have to be realistic about what needs to be done to accomplish that. Quite obviously, we must remove all homosexuals from the clergy and prevent all future ordinations of homosexuals. Realistically, how do we get there from here?

I described above what Stalin did to utterly change the CPSU - the diabolical geniuses who make the Russian Revolution - into a body that would carry out his orders. In short, he had to utterly replace the Party bureaucracy with an entire generational cohort new members. Stalin's tactics must not be ours, but the strategy must be the same.

THE CADRES DETERMINE EVERYTHING.

We must flood the ranks of the clergy with married men of good character. We can do this by ordaining thousands and thousands of married deacons and setting them loose. They will, unavoidably, run up against the lavender power structure in the RCC. These are the men who can cleanse the ranks of this filth. The RCC hierarchy as it is now constituted is simply incapable of anything approaching the sort of revolution in RCC personnel policy that is required.

64 posted on 05/30/2015 5:00:28 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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