Posted on 06/09/2015 7:46:14 AM PDT by Salvation
Well lets just check the bible and see.
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Did you check out the Biblical quotes above? You may want to do that.
Pope Francis is not as liberal as some folks think. Yes, he favors the poor and their interests, and he is not happy with greedy attitudes of some capitalists. Still, he is not about to go contrary to accepted Catholic dogma and the teachings of Jesus.
Thank-you for making my day with that posting.
Matthew 5:28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
So much for Catholic "common sense".
Oh, the Cynic speaks again - the fault finding from one who does not believe in the words of Jesus that Jesus is the Real Presence (Body and Blood) in the Eucharist.
I often wonder why some feel the need to attempt to criticize anything and everything without adding any positive thoughts to a Catholic discussion.
Here is some Catholic common sense from Catholic answers:
The most common Bible verse used against the very Catholic and very biblical doctrines concerning mortal and venial sin is James 2:10-11:
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” said also, “Do not kill.”
The argument is made from this text that all sins are the same before God. Is this true?
Two Points in Response:
First, the context of James 2 reveals St. James to have been talking about showing partiality for the first nine verses leading up to verses ten and eleven. In verse one St. James says, “My brethren, show no partiality as you hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ.” St. James then goes on to say that if we show partiality, for example, toward the rich at the expense of the poor, we fail to keep what he calls “the royal law, according to the Scripture, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself’” (verse 8). He then says, in verse nine, “But if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.” This is his lead-in to talking about keeping the commandments.
The point here is we cannot pick and choose who we are going to love as the Lord commands and who we are not going to love. On Judgment Day, we cannot say, “But I loved over six billion people as I love myself, Lord! I only hated that one guy!” It is an all or nothing proposition. In the same way, we cannot say to God on Judgment Day, “But I kept the other nine commandments, Lord!”
The second point I would make here is if you read the rest of verse 11, St. James explains a little more precisely what he means.
For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” said also, “Do not kill.” If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become a transgressor of the law.
He never says anything remotely related to “all sins are equal.” He does not say, “If you commit adultery, you are guilty of murder, lying, stealing, etc.” as if there is no difference between these sins. The gravity of each sin is not his point. He simply points out that if you break any of these laws, you have become a transgressor of the law. Again, I believe he is saying you cannot pick and choose which of God’s laws you will obey and those you will not. You must obey all of them.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
So according to one’s literal interpretation and lack of an ability to understand this one sentence in context, apparently there is no difference in sins.
So I wondered what happens to one who does not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist?
According to St. Paul, no matter how “born again,” “saved,” or whatever you think you are, if you commit these sins and you do not repent, you will not go to heaven. That is the essence of what “mortal sin” means.
So if you confess you sinned and divorced you aren’t forgiven like the guys on the cross? Right.....
Each case is individual. If a person remarries they may not receive the Eucharist without taking the proper steps and completing paperwork. Some cases are easy; others more difficult.
John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
>>According to St. Paul, no matter how “born again,” “saved,” or whatever you think you are, if you commit these sins and you do not repent, you will not go to heaven.<<
Mark 3:28 "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "--
The Catholic Church lies.
Your comment:”The Catholic Church lies.”
Again you don’t answer questions, just reply with out of context quotes.
There must be some miserable people here that are filled with hate and acrimony against the Catholic Church that was founded by Jesus.
May the Holy Spirit help you truly understand the words of God and fill you with love for your neighbor.
Forgiveness of sins from Catholic answers:
Christ told the apostles to follow his example: “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you” (John 20:21). Just as the apostles were to carry Christ’s message to the whole world, so they were to carry his forgiveness: “Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 18:18).
This power was understood as coming from God: “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation” (2 Cor. 5:18). Indeed, confirms Paul, “So we are ambassadors for Christ” (2 Cor. 5:20).
Some say that any power given to the apostles died with them. Not so. Some powers must have, such as the ability to write Scripture. But the powers necessary to maintain the Church as a living, spiritual society had to be passed down from generation to generation. If they ceased, the Church would cease, except as a quaint abstraction. Christ ordered the apostles to, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.” It would take much time. And he promised them assistance: “Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age” (Matt. 28:19–20).
If the disciples believed that Christ instituted the power to sacramentally forgive sins in his stead, we would expect the apostles’ successors—the bishops—and Christians of later years to act as though such power was legitimately and habitually exercised. If, on the other hand, the sacramental forgiveness of sins was what Fundamentalists term it, an “invention,” and if it was something foisted upon the young Church by ecclesiastical or political leaders, we’d expect to find records of protest. In fact, in early Christian writings we find no sign of protests concerning sacramental forgiveness of sins. Quite the contrary. We find confessing to a priest was accepted as part of the original deposit of faith handed down from the apostles.
Yes. Christ is with us in the Eucharist (Real Presence). “Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age” (Matt. 28:19–20).
I John 5:16-18:
If anyone sees his brother committing a sin that is not a deadly sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not deadly. There is sin which is deadly; I do not say one is to pray for that.
** All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not deadly.**
We know that anyone born of God does not sin, but He who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
I answered your questions with scripture ADSUM. You asked questions I showed where from scripture those questions are answered.
>>the Catholic Church that was founded by Jesus<<
The Catholic Church was NOT founded by Jesus. There is NO WAY that Jesus or the apostles taught the inclusion of paganism like is found in Catholicism.
>>Forgiveness of sins from Catholic answers:<<
And it's total nonsense. I showed you in my last post that "all sins are forgiven". The priests or magisterium do NOT have an options on which sins are either more serious or not forgiven.
>>We find confessing to a priest was accepted as part of the original deposit of faith handed down from the apostles.<<
Please show where the apostles taught that sins needed to be confessed to them.
>>Yes. Christ is with us in the Eucharist (Real Presence).<<
Then the christ you proclaim was a sinner by eating blood and encouraging others to do so which was against the law.
Your comment: “Forgiveness of sins from Catholic answers:
And it’s total nonsense. I showed you in my last post that “all sins are forgiven”. The priests or magisterium do NOT have an options on which sins are either more serious or not forgiven.”
Again if one seeks the Truth, instead of an out of context quote that is not the full Truth, one could begin to understand the words of God. Your answers seem to ignore the words of Jesus that do not support your religious viewpoint.
Again from Catholic answers:
Note that the power Christ gave the apostles was twofold: to forgive sins or to hold them bound, which means to retain them unforgiven. Several things follow from this. First, the apostles could not know what sins to forgive and what not to forgive unless they were first told the sins by the sinner. This implies confession. Second, their authority was not merely to proclaim that God had already forgiven sins or that he would forgive sins if there were proper repentance.
Such interpretations don’t account for the distinction between forgiving and retaining—nor do they account for the importance given to the utterance in John 20:21–23. If God has already forgiven all of a man’s sins, or will forgive them all (past and future) upon a single act of repentance, then it makes little sense to tell the apostles they have been given the power to “retain” sins, since forgiveness would be all-or-nothing and nothing could be “retained.”
Furthermore, if at conversion we were forgiven all sins, past, present, and future, it would make no sense for Christ to require us to pray, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors,” which he explained is required because “if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matt. 6:12–15).
>>Yes. Christ is with us in the Eucharist (Real Presence).<<
Your comment: ”Then the christ you proclaim was a sinner by eating blood and encouraging others to do so which was against the law”
Again you offer your personal unrealistic opinion (contrary to the explicit words of Jesus) based on the Jewish laws of the old covenant (previous post) and not the New Covenant that Jesus Christ proclaimed and stated that He would always be with us in the Eucharist.
Your comment: “Mark 3:28 “Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin “—
The Catholic Church lies. “
Are you sure that your your insulting contempt and lack of reverence for the Catholic Church that Christ founded is not blasphemy against the Holy spirit?
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