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To: Bigtigermike

Matthew 26:59


New International Version
The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death.

New Living Translation
Inside, the leading priests and the entire high council were trying to find witnesses who would lie about Jesus, so they could put him to death.

English Standard Version
Now the chief priests and the whole council were seeking false testimony against Jesus that they might put him to death,

New American Standard Bible
Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus, so that they might put Him to death.

King James Bible
Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;


In each case, the gist is at least evident, leaving the reader in no doubt as to what took place.


3 posted on 06/10/2015 7:25:52 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Try Young’s Translation.


9 posted on 06/10/2015 8:27:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
In each case, the gist is at least evident, leaving the reader in no doubt as to what took place.

You think so? On the flimsy evidence here?

But only the Authorized Version is a literal translation from the true Byzantine/Majority Greek. The others are from the synthetic corrupted Critical (Westcott & Hort type) text, and some are even dynamic equivalency in their hermeneutic, not literal equivalency in their translation, as the AV is.

(1) Al these modern versions left out the word "elders," presbuteroi, which is determinative in which form the Sanhedrin took (as assembled at Annas' domicile, versus as later at Caiaphas' quarters) and so just excising this one word alone (and there are many such similar instances when comparing the Greek sources), thus eventually forcing one to choose as to whether the Received Text continuously preserved and in the possession of the churches (for almost two thousand years in thousands of copies); or whether the Westcott & Hort/Nestle-Aland/Bruce Metzger/United Bible Society synthetic text cobbled together from principally three corrupted traditions not even agreeing with one another--and coming to light only in the 1870s--is the real Greek New Testament not only in canonicity, but also in actual word content.

(2) The verb dzaytehoh, "to seek", is not translated anywhere by the AV nor by Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon as having the sense "to look for." The translators of this verb gave the meaning of "be (go) about, desire, endeavour, enquire (for), require, (X will) seek (after, for, means)" which excludes the sense of "look". Thayers gives it the lexical value of:

(1) to seek in order to find
..1a) to seek a thing
..1b) to seek [in order to find out] by thinking, meditating, reasoning, to enquire into
..1c) to seek after, seek for, aim at, strive after
(2) to seek, i.e. require, demand
..2a) to crave, demand something from someone

(3) Furthermore, the verb is in the imperfect tense, active voice, indicative mode, third person plural. This is expressed as the simple past continuous activity, so that the correct meaning is best expressed as "sought," as in the AV. All the other versions employ the participle, which means that their renderers are not merely translating, but also interpreting and indoctrinating as they go, without apprising the reader that they are doing so. In contrast, when the translators of the AV add extra words for clarity, they italicize such words so the reader is warned. Yes, the reader may find that the English rendering has ambiguity when literally translated, requiring study of the Greek for a deeper sense of the nuances, but they limit their work to translating, a far more legitimate effort.

(4) Furthermore, the verb thanatawoh, "to make dead" or "to put-to-death" is in the aorist tense, active voice, subjunctive mode, third person plural; while it is legitimate to render this with "might" (perform an activity, as a future probability)), but using "could" gives the sense of justifying a capability, which is stretching the translation to include a meaning not linguistically correct. In fact, the "might" can also be left out, since here the intent was not probablistic at all, for they killed Him, finding a false testimony, pseudomarterian, to do so--not that "maybe they could," but that they did.

A proper look at this verse yields to me the conclusion that neither in the Greek nor in the English can I rely on these modern versions. Therefore, I am firmly settled on the King James Authorized Version alone for personal overview and study; and recognizing the AV's limitations, the exegesis of the underlying Koine or Hebrew/Aramaic to search out the deep things of the Holy Spirit in the language He used, with recognized authoritative commentators to alert one for the meaning of the verse in the greater context.

I really don't trust any seminarian who uses the critical eclectic text and modern versions of which he can select one that agrees with his interpretations. I won't go to their churches nor read much of their study guides, for you don't know when they will deceive you to forward their own interests above those of the Lord's.

27 posted on 06/11/2015 2:31:43 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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