[RnMomof7]

It's staggering how I could be 63 years old, have known or personally corresponded with many hundreds of Catholics, have read Himalayan stacks of Catholic books and periodicals, have visit Catholic websites, English and Spanish language, from far-right-to-far-left,the ones I consider doctrinally sound and even the ones I, personally, think are like Kellogg's, full of flakes and nuts --- and have never met one single, solitary Catholic who thought sex between a husband and wife is dirty and sinful.

But Mary never had sex with her husband Joseph... When priests were married they were not to have sex with their wived the day prior to saying mass ....and on this site I have read posters say that sex without the intent of getting pregnant (using birth control ) is "mutual masterbation"

[metmom]

But Mary never had sex with her husband Joseph... When priests were married they were not to have sex with their wived the day prior to saying mass ....and on this site I have read posters say that sex without the intent of getting pregnant (using birth control ) is "mutual masterbation"

I remember that comment, and I also remember going much further back than that that another RC commented that sex without the intent of pregnancy is the cause of the moral decline in this country.

I remember that discussion because someone brought up people who were infertile and those couples where they wife as past menopause, making them contributing to the moral decline in this country because they were engaging in sex knowing there was no chance for pro-creation.