Posted on 06/26/2015 10:18:59 AM PDT by Morgana
You’re making pea soup out of God’s word.
He will not redeem but a few.
He paid for all.
Redemption will be at the Last Trump, just as Paul explained.
“LOL..still no answer to my question?? ..”
LOL..still not showing a distinction between redemption and salvation??
“Catholics have my pity , they have a weak jesus that is unable save those the Father gives to Him...”
Anti-Catholics have my pity, they have a weak understanding of Jesus and are too ignorant to know the difference redemption and salvation.
“Purgatory is the place where all who die in God’s grace and friendship but are still imperfectly purified/” Um, if you die in God’s Grace you have been born from above and have no need of cultish fantasies like purgatory. Is it true that running the rosary regularly cuts down on time in catholic purgatory?
“He will not redeem but a few. He paid for all.”
To pay for all means to redeem all.
“Redemption will be at the Last Trump, just as Paul explained.”
Redemption was the first step. Salvation is the last. Both can be talked about in a more colloquial fashion. Our salvation can be talked about as encompassing our redemption. Our redemption can in a sense be talked about as finishing with our true salvation - entering into the glory of Heaven. But the Redemption, more precisely, is of everyone and was accomplished on the cross. Salvation, more precisely, will not be obtained by everyone and is finally fully accomplished when we enter into the Final Beatitude and behold the Beatific Vision.
“There are going to be some very sad folks on judgement day.” Sad doesn’t even come close to it! And before that, about seven years before that, there are gonna be some gob smacked catholics wondering what happened to the Christian Protestants they knew minutes before around them.
Violating the commands of God found in the OT is hardly a ‘reasonably disputed point’. Have you ever read the Catholic catechism on the Mass Wafer trick/Magic?
That's because the Christian Protestants will be hiding, wondering why the Independent Baptists just up and disappeared!!!! :)
Heresy is the hallmark of catholicism.
No one has yet been redeemed.
Luke 21:
[1] And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
[2] And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
[3] And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
[4] For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
[5] And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[6] As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[7] And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
[8] And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
[9] But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
[10] Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
[11] And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
[12] But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
[13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
[14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
[15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
[16] And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
[17] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
[18] But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
[19] In your patience possess ye your souls.
[20] And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
[21] Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
[22] For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
[23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
[24] And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
[25] And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
[26] Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
[27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
[28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
LOL
So I guess we should pray the Rapture doesn’t happen while we’re in a liquor store?
“Heresy is the hallmark of catholicism.”
That’s a logical impossibility since “catholicism” means the “universal” faith. Thus, only it cannot have heresy. It is the sects which must have heresy and always do.
It’s a shame public schools no longer teach people the meaning of words, how to use them, or any basic logic. If public schools did teach such things there would be fewer morons, and by extension, since the two groups over lap, fewer anti-Catholics.
Showing more and more the spirit that is within ... what’s that saying about flak and being over the target? Keep spitting flak, vald.
Glad you took it in good humor. But I'll still be praying for you...
“As I suspected long ago, it seems you have simply no understanding of God’s word.”
In fcat I apparently understand it better than you do. Other Protestants agree that there is a difference of course even if they define it in different terms:
Example: http://www.christianity.com/theology/redemption-and-salvation-11541696.html
Now, I have no reason to believe you know the Bible better than I do or the hundreds and hundreds of millions of Protestants over the last 4.5 centuries who believed there was a difference between redemption and salvation. When I see you addressing all of those Protestants who you must conclude are wrong and don’t know the Bible as well as you do, I might take you more seriously.
“No one has yet been redeemed.”
Actually, everyone has been redeemed. Everyone. Not everyone will be saved, however.
“Showing more and more the spirit that is within ...”
If I point out the ignorance of anti-Catholics - which is epic - you’ll just have to deal with it.
“what’s that saying about flak and being over the target?”
It doesn’t matter. No saying changes the fact that anti-Catholics are ignorant.
No, I am not required to deal with your haughty attitude and snarky, condescending posts. I will move on along and leave you to His Spirit.
“No, I am not required to deal with your haughty attitude and snarky, condescending posts. I will move on along and leave you to His Spirit.”
Do what is expected of you.
With you, I already have.
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