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Things Are Going to Get Very Tough, Very Quickly, for the Church and Her Allies
NC Register ^ | June 26, 2015 | MSGR. CHARLES POPE

Posted on 06/26/2015 7:10:25 PM PDT by NYer

Most were not surprised by the Supreme Court decision today. Court watchers who had attended the hearings earlier this year were rather certain that the mood of the court was to find a constitutional right to marriage and extend it to those with same-sex attraction. 

I am not a lawyer and will not therefore speak to the legal demerits of this decision. Others, including the minority on the Court, can speak to that. 

But as a citizen I wonder how we have come to a place in our legal and legislative system where unelected judges for life, who in effect answer to no one, can make such increasingly common and sweeping decisions regarding basic human institutions. 

Increasingly in our nation, many are beginning to feel quite powerless over the most basic aspects of their life. Governmental decisions in both the executive and judicial branches of government are eclipsing and overruling plebiscites and laws crafted by and enacted by elected legislators, who are answerable to the American people.  Judges are imposing, often at brisk speed, sweeping changes with little opportunity for appeal or redress. The wide use of executive power by presidents has also become wide and sweeping in the same matters. 

The balance of power has shifted dramatically toward the judicial branch and judges who “know better” than the American people or their elected legislators. 

Clearly there's a place for judicial review of laws and policies. But it's increasingly evident that the judicial activism of recent decades is way out of balance. 

Sadly, both conservatives and liberals have often had recourse to courts for matters that really should have been handled in the giveand-take of the legislative process. Too many people have preferred to gamble with judicial fiats, rather than building political consensus.

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To: semaj

Christianity seems to be petering out, not just here but in the world at large. Does this mean Islam will finally take over, after 1400 years of trying?


41 posted on 06/26/2015 8:52:06 PM PDT by Bluewater2015 (There are no coincidences)
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To: NYer

Why the Catholic ping? What about the Protestants in the mix?


42 posted on 06/26/2015 8:54:49 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: markomalley
Hm, it was about 1995 or 96 where I met several lesbians at the mental health center. I was in treatment for depression. Didn't do any good.

Anyway I was internally disturbed a little but was trying to be tolerant but not approving.

First they (the Christian male therapist) got on me for not going with the rest to this racy club. Why wouldn't I go? Because stripping is exploiting women, that's why. That was the end of that one.

Oh, then it was about the one girl talking about living with her new partner in a lesbian relationship. I asked, can't you just be friends? How naive of me.

Then I got invited to a lesbian's house. She had recruited a confused straight girl to be her partner, and they had big plans. I asked the priest if it was ok to go.

He said they are people, too, blah blah. Actually he was very debonair and nice except he told me I wouldn't listen to anybody and I degraded myself in confession. He's now a bishop.

Well, I went to the party and had my pepper spray ready because I was afraid of her dogs. I didn't have any fun, but I tried not to be rude but not to in any way approve any behavior.

I got kicked out of that program. They let me go to morning mass but the meds were messing me up and I couldn't get up in the morning. That was humiliating but I left. Then they put me in private therapy.

Now the last encounter I ran into the party one at 7-11. How the hell ya doing says I. Good, enthusiastically tells me she's getting a sex change operation. I said evenly and not nastily, "I don't think you should do that." That was the last time I saw her.

There was another one who took me to the Farmer's Market. I couldn't feel really close to her, then she broke up with her partner who was a nurse at the hospital. She was devastated. I don't know what became of her.

A lot of them are mentally ill, confused and messed up, some from being sexually abused and some for no particular reason.

I kind of think they sought my approval at the least and at best maybe I gave off lonely vibes and would have taken up with me. I'm was never tempted to do anything like that but I have felt love for a woman friend in a totally non-sexual way. She's gone now.

Oh, i met one at work and she brought me this book to look at. it was flowers that looked like female sex parts. It was disgusting. A male lawyer saw it and asked how I could look at that stuff. No I didn't go to the bookstore but I did go to some Womyn's event downtown. She was at the lesbian table. I felt uncomfortable at that and never wanted to go to any of that stuff again.

Now that decree from the Congregation tells me I should not have gone. So much for that.

43 posted on 06/26/2015 8:55:44 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Huskrrrr

I cancelled the day after Obama got re-elected.


44 posted on 06/26/2015 8:57:39 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Steely Tom

>> A one or two percent segment of our population is turning the country upside down.

In reality, that minor percentage is merely the device the Left is using to destroy our liberties and Christianity.


45 posted on 06/26/2015 8:59:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: llevrok
Our local talk host today said and has said at least twice before that he thinks Roberts is being blackmailed. Also he said expect this week a homosexual couple to go to a Catholic church in the area and asked to be married. The priest will presumably say no, and there will be a lawsuit. Then the churches here may lost their tax exempt status.

Most of our churches will capitulate, the Protestant ones, I'm not sure which ones will try to hold the line, know the Catholic church will but a renegade priest could capitulate and probably, knowing my diocese, get sent somewhere else and nothing disciplinary done about it.

46 posted on 06/26/2015 9:00:03 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: ebb tide

I’m not sure why anyone would want to excommunicate John Roberts over this issue; he dissented solidly (unlike yesterday). As for Anthony Kennedy and Sonia Sotomayor, are they even communicated that they may be excommunicated, or have they already been excommunicated?

One justice really shines above his peers this week: Clarence Thomas, who writes solid, well-reasoned, historically grounded decisions, unfortunately mostly dissents.


47 posted on 06/26/2015 9:02:16 PM PDT by dufekin (Protect life, holy matrimony, and religious liberty: we pray to God Almighty)
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To: NYer

I psoted this in another htread but it fits here as well as I’ve predicted the same thing

The hardest part is knowing that God is ALLOWING this all to happen- one stunning unbelievable shocking defeat after another- Evil is dancing In the streets this week- Evil is celebrating and living it up- Evil is drooling and licking their chops thinking about how much power they have gained this week, and how much Evil they can wreak on America now that there is NOTHING to stop them- And God may very well ALLOW them to do so

VERY VERY sad to see this all happening right before our eyes

And

Prepare yourselves for an all out unholy assault on everything that is holy as these seething, angry, vile sinners further desecrate everything that is Holy and outlaw the free expression of religion-

I’ll add

The minority few are now so powerful that the majority will be powerless to stop them now that the supreme court has supported the wicked vile evil ways of the minority few- They are now so powerful that they WILL come after CHurches and ministers the country over- it is just a matrer of time

The _resident WILL now sign onto the UN ‘hate crimes’ law- making it an international law that you can NOT preach the word of God in it’s entirety because God’s word makes it clear that homosexuality is an abomination, and gay people are offended by that

The SC decision today sealed the fate of Christians all over the country- It succeeded in branding Christianty as a ‘religion of hate’ and government is now free to regulate what Christianity can and can not preach

We will see how the churches respond- I suspect MANY will cave in- and only the few will stand strong despite the htreats against it


48 posted on 06/26/2015 9:19:08 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“often subject to mistreatment and disrespect. Their hearts are compassionate for the oppressed”

They are not “oppressed.” Normal people react with disgust to the loathsome perversions their disorder compels them to practice.

One might say that their disorder is not their fault; on the other hand, one must say that they should be seeking treatment, not trying to force everyone else to pretend that evil is good.

Perhaps we should make every effort to regard them with charity; we are not required to “respect” sodomy.


49 posted on 06/26/2015 9:39:05 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Bob434
..........The hardest part is knowing that God is ALLOWING this all to happen- one stunning unbelievable shocking defeat after another- Evil is dancing In the streets this week- Evil is celebrating and living it up- Evil is drooling and licking their chops thinking about how much power they have gained this week, and how much Evil they can wreak on America now that there is NOTHING to stop them- And God may very well ALLOW them to do so............

Why is the hardest part knowing that God is ALLOWING this all to happen-....?

Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Christ through the holy prophets before He walk in a flesh body foretold what would be again. Sadly the overwhelming majority consider those holy prophets to be mere fabled stories. Paul said ICorinthians 10:11

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: (examples) and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

Ecclesiastes 1:2 "Vanity of vanities," saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity................

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath bee, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there anything whereof it may be said, 'See, this is new?' it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

We have not seen anything yet, these pagan nitwits declaring abomination as a right have set their own justice. Problem is there are apparently a majority of people who fit the profile of Lot's wife.

50 posted on 06/26/2015 9:39:16 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

[[Why is the hardest part knowing that God is ALLOWING this all to happen-....?]]

Why? Because as bad as thigns will get in our time, things are going to be much worse for our children- that’s why- It’s sad watching this nation turn it’s back on God- Things are going to be very very difficult for our children- We grew up in a BLESSED nation- a nation that was a good place to live and raise children in- Now that is being snatched away- and those who stand for God WILL come undr- ARE coming under persecution

Is it God’s will? Certainly, Does that make it easy? Certainly not!


51 posted on 06/26/2015 9:47:33 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: NYer
Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.

Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

For I the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.
   Isaiah 41:10-13

52 posted on 06/26/2015 9:47:45 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Woe to those who call evil good and good evil!" Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Heart-Rest

Wasn’t God saying that to other people?

I don’t know if He will stand with a nation of abortuaries and glory holes.


53 posted on 06/26/2015 9:49:50 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Just mythoughts

[[Problem is there are apparently a majority of people who fit the profile of Lot’s wife.]]

Really? God has declared He is going to destroy America? And He has warned people not to look back? And He has told His people to flee America? Not seeing the connection here- Two entirely different scenarios - Soddom and Ghomorrah had only a very few righteous people- America Has MANY righteous people still- it is the wicked who are in the minority in America- We’re still nothing like Sodom- at least not yet-


54 posted on 06/26/2015 9:53:20 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: NYer

Uh, we can fix this with an Article V Constitutional Convention.


55 posted on 06/26/2015 10:19:27 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Steely Tom

Hardly. They are the tools of those who wish to arrogate more and more power to government, to Leviathan.


56 posted on 06/26/2015 10:30:09 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Bryan24

And how are we going to keep the convention from falling into the same hands as those that now control our present government? I think that something like what happened at the Meeting of the French Estates in 1789 might occur.


57 posted on 06/26/2015 10:33:14 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: dsc
Well, yes, the whole Bible was initially written to other nations and people, but I'm hoping it applies to us too.    :-)

And, remember, when God and Abraham were discussing Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would spare them if there were fifty righteous people there, then he worked it down to ten, and God still told Abraham that if He found ten righteous people there, He would not destroy it.

And the Lord said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

Abraham answered, “Behold, I have taken upon myself to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes.   Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking? Wilt thou destroy the whole city for lack of five?” And he said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.”

Again he spoke to him, and said, “Suppose forty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of forty I will not do it.”

Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak. Suppose thirty are found there.” He answered, “I will not do it, if I find thirty there.”

He said, “Behold, I have taken upon myself to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.”

Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.”

And the Lord went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.     Genesis 18:26-33

(But I do believe that the USA is in for some severe forms of chastisement due to widespread abortion and the bizarre celebration of homosexuality, as Rev. Joseph Esper discusses in his new book", shown below.)


"ON THE BRINK AMERICA & THE COMING DIVINE JUDGMENT"

58 posted on 06/26/2015 10:34:19 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Woe to those who call evil good and good evil!" Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Bob434
Why? Because as bad as thigns will get in our time, things are going to be much worse for our children- that’s why- It’s sad watching this nation turn it’s back on God- Things are going to be very very difficult for our children- We grew up in a BLESSED nation- a nation that was a good place to live and raise children in- Now that is being snatched away- and those who stand for God WILL come undr- ARE coming under persecution Is it God’s will? Certainly, Does that make it easy? Certainly not!

But God sent His Word for any who would believe what would be. The words that God is ALLOWING this all to happen- have an accusatory sound. I am appalled by the pagans that are now in charge of we the people, but I am not surprised.

We have the script of what to expect, and we are told that IF we believe, God will never leave US or forsake US.... We are told what would be IF a nation or individual(s) leave and/or forsake Him.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.

Notice who was given the warnings the prophets from Moses to Malachi.

8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, "Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth."

9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, "Give me the little book," And he said unto me, "Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey."

10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

11 And he said unto me, "Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

This comes from the prophet Ezekiel 3:3....

Knowing who wins this spiritual war (Ephesians 6:10-24) is the sweetest honey, but the script to get to the win is indeed very bitter in the belly. But we have not seen anything yet, this is a spiritual war fought in high places... including the majority that call themselves Christians.

Christ said these things need be, that cup of wrath is about to overflow, and those that love the Creator will have His loving protection.

This 'national declaration of pride' will not go unnoticed by our Maker. As will the acts of some who title themselves as holy fathers... Romans 1:21 Because that when they knew God, they glorified Him NOT as God, neither were thankful;

but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,

God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient:

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I think the above pretty much covers the state of global affairs these days.

59 posted on 06/26/2015 10:38:10 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Bob434
Really? God has declared He is going to destroy America? And He has warned people not to look back? And He has told His people to flee America? Not seeing the connection here- Two entirely different scenarios - Soddom and Ghomorrah had only a very few righteous people- America Has MANY righteous people still- it is the wicked who are in the minority in America- We’re still nothing like Sodom- at least not yet-

Stop blaming God. The majority of peoples in this nation are the destroyers, and too many love to watch on the sidelines like it is a Jerry Springer show.

60 posted on 06/26/2015 10:40:45 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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