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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Divine Savior is not going to knock us out cold and drag us by the hair into Heaven to be loved.

Greek is a very specific language

John 12:32 if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

Word Origin a prim. verb
to drag NASB Translation

drag (1), dragged (2), draw (1), draws (1), drew (2), haul (1).

That is in the passive voice.. meaning the object is passive in the action

422 posted on 07/03/2015 3:46:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
That is in the passive voice.. meaning the object is passive in the action

Huh? What's in the passive voice? And a grammatical object has to be a noun, pronoun or other substantive -- nouns, etc. don't have a voice, only case, number and/or gender . . .

424 posted on 07/03/2015 3:51:39 PM PDT by maryz
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To: RnMomof7
"John 12:32 if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

You don't think this refers to universal salvation, do you?

And the save verb (same in the LXX, which is Greek) is used here:

Hosea 11:4
"I drew them with human kindness, with loving bands. I acted toward them like one who removes a yoke from their neck; I bent down and fed them."

Check out the verb which can be translated "led" as well as "drew," and in this context it's rather far from the meaning of knocking somebody down and dragging them by the hair, and rather closer to the meaning of gently leading by the hand, as one would a child. There's a sense of guidance but not of coercive force.

429 posted on 07/03/2015 4:04:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Nor has entered into the mind of man, what God has prepared for those who love Him." - 1 Cor 2:9)
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