Posted on 07/04/2015 5:44:03 AM PDT by marshmallow
(CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis’ attendance for the second consecutive year at the Catholic charismatic movement’s Renewal with the Spirit convocation shows his attention to charismatic movements as means to foster ecumenical path.
Not by chance, Renewal with the Spirit styled the convocation to be heavily ecumenical.
During the meeting with Pope Francis’ in St. Peter’s Square, prayers were raised by Cardinals Kurt Koch and Leonardo Sandri, president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity and Prefect of the Congregation for the Eastern Churches; the Anglican Archbishop David Moxon, who represents the Archbishop of Canterbury toward the Holy See; and Msgr. Barnaba El Soryani, Coptic-Orthodox Bishop, as a delegate of Theodore II, Patriarch of Alexandria.
Also present were Msgr. Athanasisu Matti Shaba Matoka, Syriac-Catholic archbishop emeritus of Baghdad; His Eminence Polycarpus Eugenio Aydin, vicar of the Syriac-Orthodox diocese of the Netherlands; Rev. Louie Giglio, from the Passion City Church of Atlanta; Jonas Jonsoon, from the Lutheran Church of Sweden; and Giovanni Traettino, president of the Evangelical Church for Reconciliation in Italy.
This varied presence aligns with Pope Francis’ commitment to ecumenism. Beyond the recently opened dialogue with Orthodox and Anglican Churches, the Evangelical world is a big challenge for ecumenism, and perhaps one of the most important ones.
Dialogue with evangelical groups, especially Pentecostals, has been called “the fourth ecumenism” by several authors, including the Catholic sociologist Massimo Introvigne, an international authority on religious sects.
According to Introvigne, the fourth ecumenism – that of the new Protestant sects born at the beginning of the 20th century – is perhaps the most fruitful ground for ecumenical dialogue.
Attempts at such dialogue have limits: for example, a search for parties to represent the Pentecostals. Although they make up three-quarters of Protestants in some parts of the world and as much......
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...... in Latin America, where it is estimated that100 million Catholics have converted to evangelical Christianity.
Because he loves encouraging the false ecumenism as first promoted by Vatican II.
He is an unpredictable hippie.
It’s like he is trying to get on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.
Good grief! I keep hoping the “sign of peace” will be eliminated from the Mass. Now, I am thinking it may wind up being replaced by something even worse.
“...I keep hoping the “sign of peace” will be eliminated...”
LOL!! Me too!! I really hate the sign of peace and consider it to be a germ swap.
The peace that comes from Christ comes from the Holy Spirit and is unrelated to a big loud greeting/handshake during mass.
I am happy to hear that I am not alone in my dislike of this “peace” circus that ought to have been consigned to the dustbin of history long ago along with the hippie beads and go go boots.
Happy 4th!
Also present were Msgr. Athanasisu Matti Shaba Matoka, Syriac-Catholic archbishop emeritus of Baghdad; His Eminence Polycarpus Eugenio Aydin, vicar of the Syriac-Orthodox diocese of the Netherlands; Rev. Louie Giglio, from the Passion City Church of Atlanta; Jonas Jonsoon, from the Lutheran Church of Sweden; and Giovanni Traettino, president of the Evangelical Church for Reconciliation in Italy.
Got that "Pope Osteen" graphic handy?
Not only is it a germ swap, it is, IMO, very disruptive. It seems like we are moving in one direction toward the Consecration but then take a different route, and everyone goes casual. If there must be a sign of peace exchanged, why not have it at the very beginning of the Mass?
As for the germ-swapping, I stopped handshake several years ago. I keep my missalette in my right hand, and give a little wave with my left hand while I smile and say, “Peace be with you”.
I am a woman, so maybe that makes it easier for me to abstain from a handshake. It seems like a very common cultural thing for a man to feel obliged to return a handshake to another man.
It was, BTW, a man at Mass who gave me the idea of doing as I do. Always hated the handshaking, but I did it anyway. Then, one Sunday, there was this man who just kept both hands on his missalette and smiled and nodded to me.
Thanks for the input and advice. I do sometimes ty the little wave apporach and it is very good avice - especially since I am handicapped in the right hand from an amputation as a result of a burn injury; I still feel sheepish though.
More importantly, as you point out - it doesn’t feel right liturgically at all. It just seems to be a wierd interruption of the proper flow of the mass.
That is why I prefer the Latin - peace and no anxiety for me prior to the peace sign. I suppose the anxiety is also related to my injury - but - at any rate, I do appreciate your thoughts.
Actually, it brings me anxiety, too, but for a different reason. As the time nears, I am thinking something like, “Oh, no, here it comes!” It always feel guilty for feeling so resentful about the circus atmosphere being introduced at that point in the Mass.
No I do not. I never drink from the cup. Communion is perfectly valid under the one species, and it was actually Martin Luther who advocated both species. It was Vatican II who later changed the liturgy to make it closer to the Protestant version. I really don’t know why it was so important (what the underlying agneda really is) to Martin Luther to change this, and for the Vatican II council to de sacralize and protestantize the mass - maybe someone on here knows?
I agree with you that it is terrible and ought be done away with as well.
Is he gonna buy five copies for his mother? ;)
It is difficult for Catholic structures to interact directly with non-hierarchical Christians.
They are much more comfortable organizing conferences and otherwise with bureaucrats from the vanishing “mainline” American and state-established European churches.
A short test:
1. Pope Francis ___
2. Joel Osteen ___
a. Who am I to judge?
b. It’s not what I’m called to do.
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