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To: RnMomof7
One reason to accept the doctrine of Consubstantiation:
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, l for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins." (Matthew 26:26-28)
Jesus said it. All human objections are meaningless.
308 posted on 07/12/2015 11:56:00 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

If you had but included the next sentence Jesus spoke, the passage would be clear, baecause Jesus told the disciples that He would not drink THIS fruit of the vine again until in the Father’s Kingdom. Jesus HImslef called th cup contents WINE. One of your group is fond of telling folks to give quotes in context. well, there’s an example of why we ought do just that! The meaning is quite different if the entire passage is read in context. Jesus in all three gospel scens calls the contents of the covenant cup WINE. He also said to do this ritual IN REMEMBRANCE of His sacrifice for us. Paul tells us this REMEBRANCE is to show Jesus’s death until He comes back.


315 posted on 07/12/2015 12:10:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Petrosius; metmom; CynicalBear
Jesus said it. All human objections are meaningless.

He also said He was he door to the sheep gate John 10:9

But He also said He was the Shepherd ...that kept the sheep in the sheep pen, John 10:11

And of course He also said He was the vine (that the grapes grew on , that made the wine) John 15:1

He also promised if you ate the "bread of life " you would never hunger or thirst again (John 4:14) (John 6:35)

Do RC's ever wonder why the apostle Jesus loved.. that wrote all the above...never writes of it in his gospel...???

Context /Context /Context

317 posted on 07/12/2015 12:21:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Petrosius
The complete scenes:

Matthew 26:29-30; Mark 14:22-26; Luke 22:14-23

Matthew 26:26As they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks for it, and broke it. He gave to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is my body." 27 He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave to them, saying, "All of you drink it, 28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I tell you that I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on, until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's Kingdom." 30When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Mark 14:22 As they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had blessed, he broke it, and gave to them, and said, "Take, eat. This is my body." 23 He took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave to them. They all drank of it. 24 He said to them, "This is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many. 25 Most certainly I tell you, I will no more drink of the fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it anew in the Kingdom of God."26 When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Luke 22:14When the hour had come, he sat down with the twelve apostles. 15 He said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer, 16 for I tell you, I will no longer by any means eat of it until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God." 17 He received a cup, and when he had given thanks, he said, "Take this, and share it among yourselves, 18 for I tell you, I will not drink at all again from the fruit of the vine, until the Kingdom of God comes." 19 He took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and gave to them, saying, "This is my body which is given for you. Do this in memory of me." 20 Likewise, he took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."

As suggested to the RCC apologists on two other occasions, the underlined quotes of Jesus speaking name the contents of the cups of Passover as WINE. And just so you don't miss it, the larger print is the sentence where Jesus tells the disciples that last cup of the new covenant in His blood about to be shed on Calvary is POURED OUT.

The full passage in each case makes it clear in each retelling of the scene that the cups contained wine, never blood. Blood in the cups of Passover would have been abominable, breaking the laws of Moses the very night before He was going to sacrifice Himself as the perfect and unblemished One.

Will you at least read the entire passage in each retelling?

318 posted on 07/12/2015 12:32:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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