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To: JAKraig
One ofhe great lies satan has used throughout history to help the lost deceive themselves is, "what really mattered in this life is whether or not we followed Jesus Christ to the best of our ability." The Mormons repeat that one as 'after all that we can do' and the catholics on these threads repeat that one as, 'Strivie to follow the sacraments and confess our sins, partake in the Mass as often as we can, and when we die obtain eternal life'. The heart of both of those versions of satan1.0 is pride, self pride, which will deceive and inveigle, do anything, but always do, do, do, work for eternal life.

What is the Gospel of this new covenant Jesus established with His own precious blood, shed while upon that cross, spread upon the Mercy Seat in Heaven above the laws od sin and death establishing freedom from those laws and offered to any whole will believe He is Savior and THEIE ONLY MEANS to obtain God's life in them? ... Did you catch that? I just put the Gospel of the new covenant in the question. See it? What regimen of sacraments and toil did the folks in the house of Cornelius go through to have God's Holy Spirit enter them, giving them immediately Eternal Life?

48 posted on 07/17/2015 6:26:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

What regimen of sacraments and toil did the folks in the house of Cornelius go through to have God’s Holy Spirit enter them, giving them immediately Eternal Life?

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What most Protestants believe and teach is that by confessing that Jesus is Lord you are saved, that simply is not true. the Holy Ghost can witness to someone but that does not save them. Someone seeking the truth can be given the truth by the Holy Ghost but they still have to accept or reject it.

While it is true that pride has nothing to do with being saved, being saved does require work, please let me explain. I will agree that no matter how much a person does, no matter how good a person is he can not be saved because of his work. But there are things that must be done to be saved. Confessing Christ is only a start, Christ is the gateway. Christ explained to Nicodemus that he must be born of water and spirit to enter the kingdom. Modern Christians recognize that as meaning that we must be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. Christ while on the Earth himself instituted the sacrament of the Lord’s supper or what is called the Eucharist. Christ told his apostles to do this often in remembrance of Me. Christ ordained his apostles. So we now see that ordinances are a part of Christ’s gospel, saying we believe in Christ is simply not enough. Begging for entrance into heaven simply not enough. Christ taught that we must repent of our sins. Repentance is work. Repentance can cause much pain and agony, many tears. Perhaps repentance does not equal “works”, but it is work.

In the epistle of James, James explains that faith without works is dead, what did he mean? Again in his epistle he says “show me your works and I will show you your faith”. Faith and works are inseparable. We can make fun of works all we want to, we can make fun of people who you say believe in works but God-fearing Christians better believe in works because without works there is no faith without faith there is no repentance without repentance there is no saving, there is no grace to be had.

Mormons have a saying, I can’t quote it exactly but it goes something to the effect of “we are saved by grace after all we can do”. Many people make fun of the statement because they believe there is nothing we can do to save ourselves but if you think about the statement realizing that without works there’s no faith then it makes sense.

Believing in Christ, repentance of sin, baptism for remission of sins and receipt of the Holy Ghost is the gate by which we enter into Christ’s church. It is only the beginning, a life of love and obedience to the laws of the Gospel, enduring to the end is how we qualify for Grace. People who think that Christ will save them without their trying to follow Christ are ignorant of the truth. We cannot wish our way into heaven, Christ will not cast his pearls before swine, he will not offer grace to those who are not willing to work for it.


52 posted on 07/17/2015 8:57:23 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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