Jesus spoke those words, showing that Jesus also recognized and practiced the two separate forms of forgiveness, the public (the Lord forgiving us) and the private (we ourselves forgiving others).
You are bit all over the place, stating we should be Godly where its convenient and then that we shouldn't be Godly, when it not convenient to your argument.
In the Lord's prayer, Jesus was either a sinner or He was giving an example of how to pray to those present. I'll go with the latter, and also state that He was providing an example on forgiveness. The "forgive us, as we forgive those trespass against us" is as direct a comparison as you can get to God's forgiveness vs. our own. Jesus is literally saying, give us Your forgiveness in the exact same manner that we provide our forgiveness to others. There is absolutely no biblical support for believing that the methodology of forgiveness is different. Only the magnitude is different.
I want God to forgive me when I am truly sorry for a sin and ask Him to forgive me. And that is the standard by which He wants me to forgive others. The only other way to read the Lord's prayer is to assume that God has given me freelance option to create new rule by which He must abide, e.g. I forgive people after they hop around three times on one foot every year, therefore, if I hop around three times on one foot.... No, I must abide by God's standard of forgiveness, not vice versa.
Although you can make angel and pin arguments about what God is capable of doing, should He so choose, it is a pointless tactic predicated on the notion that the nature of God is changeable, that at one moment He is the God of Abraham and in the next He could be a giant humorous, blue genie. But the truth is that the God of Abraham is not subject to change, so its a moot point. God forgives sin after forgiveness is sought, therefore THAT is the law. To start saying "well if God wanted to" is silly and brings into question the fundamental nature of our covenant with Him.
“You are bit all over the place, stating we should be Godly where its convenient and then that we shouldn’t be Godly, when it not convenient to your argument.”
No, I haven’t said that. There is a form of Godliness that is impossible for us to practice (forgiving people for sins against God’s law). That has nothing to do with convenience or my argument, it’s simply a fact. We aren’t God, so we cannot do that, we do not have the power or the authority.
“In the Lord’s prayer, Jesus was either a sinner or He was giving an example of how to pray to those present. I’ll go with the latter, and also state that He was providing an example on forgiveness.”
Agreed.
“The “forgive us, as we forgive those trespass against us” is as direct a comparison as you can get to God’s forgiveness vs. our own. Jesus is literally saying, give us Your forgiveness in the exact same manner that we provide our forgiveness to others.”
No Jesus does not “literally” say that, or it would be in the text and you wouldn’t need to insert your own words to try to make that argument.
“There is absolutely no biblical support for believing that the methodology of forgiveness is different.”
We don’t need Biblical support for this, because we are humans, so we all know firsthand that humans can forgive people without waiting for them to ask us first.
“I want God to forgive me when I am truly sorry for a sin and ask Him to forgive me. And that is the standard by which He wants me to forgive others.”
Where is your Biblical support for that? I can cite many verses that tell us God won’t forgive you if you do not forgive others, but I cannot think of a single one that tells us we only have to forgive those who ask for forgiveness. Where is that “loophole” explained?
“The only other way to read the Lord’s prayer is to assume that God has given me freelance option to create new rule by which He must abide, e.g. I forgive people after they hop around three times on one foot every year, therefore, if I hop around three times on one foot.... No, I must abide by God’s standard of forgiveness, not vice versa.”
Nonsense, the verse simply asserts that we have forgiven those who trespass against us. It makes no claim about us making those who trespassed meet any standard whatsoever, so to assert anything about standards in relation to that verse is to insert something into the text that isn’t there.