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How to Go to Heaven
CatholicAnswers ^ | May 12, 2015 | Jimmy Akin

Posted on 07/21/2015 4:48:44 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: MHGinTN

That is all this feels like! You bully us. You argue with us.

I was always told I would be persecuted for being a Christian be never knew what that meant UNTIL I became a Catholic and all I have been is persecuted! By other so called Christians like you!!! Do you have any idea how you come across? I know enough to know Jesus was not like this.


141 posted on 07/21/2015 6:50:55 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

What do you expect to win?


142 posted on 07/21/2015 6:51:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: ADSUM

Jesus is God with Us. His Spirit is author of not just the Universe (John 1:) but the Old and New Testament. He is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. He used the Apostles and other inspired letter writers to issue the New Testament for our instruction. But if you don’t believe The Spirit of God is the actual author of the New Testament, well then it will be difficult to get any further in discussion. The Spirit of God is raising up His children int he way that they should go, by the direct indwelling of His Spirit. His Spirit is able to cause The Truth of what The Word of God (the Bible) declares to grow His nature in you and me. So Jesus continues to teach and work in us via His Words, regardless of whom it is that wrote them down.


143 posted on 07/21/2015 6:52:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Mom MD
Really When my son is ordained in a few years all the area pastors will attend the service They will lay hands on him and pray for his ministry we are not catholic

Unfortunate that you are not Catholic...a little more study and a little more seeking the ENTIRE truth of Christianity and he would become a priest.

Protestantism is either an erroneous or incomplete version of what is truly Christianity.

144 posted on 07/21/2015 6:55:00 PM PDT by terycarl (, COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: Campion
I John 4:16. If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death

reckon how the early recipients of John's letter knew which sins lead to death, unless those sinners had mortally died? Maybe the writings of the apostles list those mortal sins, and they had that list handy? Too bad they did not record it in holy writ for all to see. :(

145 posted on 07/21/2015 6:55:29 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: Morgana

Could it be that what you ‘feel’ is not me or my presence? I’m a little old round man in East Tennessee. It is impossible for me to bully you from my wheelchair here. The ‘feelings’ are perhaps sourced in some other relationship?


146 posted on 07/21/2015 6:56:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Arthur McGowan

That has nothing to do with men classifying sin to make themselves feel better about themselves.


147 posted on 07/21/2015 6:57:02 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: caww

I don’t expect to “win” anything. I’m just tired of having my faith trashed.

Good heavens I can’t even fight the abortion war here in my town because I can’t get churches to unite!!! It’s always something. Then when they find out I’m Catholic oh that ends it right there! They are afraid I’d pull a Hail Mary on them or something. They treat me like I’m a retard (no offense to those with Trisomy 21) Like I don’t know who Jesus is, don’t know the Bible, I mean OH PLEASE!!

I could go on but I might offend a few here so I’ll just leave it at that and let you understand some things from my point of view.


148 posted on 07/21/2015 6:58:35 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Disagreement is not persecution I have been told by many of the Catholics here if I am not catholic I am not saved and been told that in a rather nasty fashion even that is not persecution

There is a genuine disagreement on lot of principles between Catholics and Protestants Frank discussion of the differences is not persecution or bullying Persecution would be burning your house down or getting you fired from your job or even killing you A lot of our brothers are facing real persecution It minimizes their suffering to call bring disagreed with on an Internet forum persecution


149 posted on 07/21/2015 6:59:23 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: MHGinTN

....”When Jesus spoke to Nicodemus He referred to being born of the water from the womb”....

Yes, exactly... Just before a woman gives birth her “water breaks”....thus we are born of water...a physical birth...”that which is born of the flesh”

Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus of a “spiritual birth”...born from above”....’You must be born again to enter into his kingdom”....


150 posted on 07/21/2015 6:59:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: terycarl

Thanks but no thanks I don’t need to be a member of your club to have Truth But a little more studying and you might some day attain it Good evening


151 posted on 07/21/2015 7:02:17 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: MHGinTN

I did not mean you personally. See my post 142. Then give a comment.


152 posted on 07/21/2015 7:02:27 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: terycarl

....”cussing out your golf shot is not that serious an offense....committing adultery....remarriage after divorce for example, is a much more serious offense”.....

Who determines which sins are worse and less? ..and what they are? Is there a specific list to go by?

Let’s say it’s the sin of Pride.....how far must one go in being Proud for it to be called one or the other degree of sin?


153 posted on 07/21/2015 7:03:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: metmom

When are you going to pluck out your eye(s) and cut off your hand(s)?

Get back to me when you take the words of Jesus seriously.


154 posted on 07/21/2015 7:03:58 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: caww

Yep. And Jesus spoke of ‘living water’ and those in whom He puts this ‘living water’ will not only never thirst (spiritually speaking, as in divine metaphor) but from whom will flow rivers of this living water! John &:37-39


155 posted on 07/21/2015 7:05:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ADSUM
But you see, I am a priest, because the first "pope" told me so! I don't need a "priest" of the RCC!

1 peter 2:5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

So what should I believe, the oral tradition handed down, or the very words written by Peter?

156 posted on 07/21/2015 7:06:47 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: Morgana

Morgana,

This was an open thread, with the title “How to Go to Heaven”. Since it was not a caucus thread, it should be open for debate by all. Disagreeing is not bullying.

And if you look at this thread, there is plenty of hostility on both sides.

I’m not fond of it. I would like to contend for the faith without being contentious, but I don’t like it if I am accused of bullying for speaking what I believe is true. Nor do I enjoy being accused of not being a Christian.

As I have told you in the past, I appreciate your passion for the pro-life threads. It is an area of common agreement, and I hope you continue with it.

Grace and peace,
K51


157 posted on 07/21/2015 7:07:03 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Morgana

DearOne, your immortal soul is far more valuable than my ego or my feelings. You have done me no harm, even by accident. I wot to reason together.


158 posted on 07/21/2015 7:07:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Mom MD
I said before the only common ground you and I have is to agree to disagree

Agree and disagree only pertains to controversial issues...if I tell you that Earth is a planet in the solar system...you can disagree all you wish, it changes nothing.

The Catholic church has been on Earth for 2,015 years and has guided mankind through extraordinary difficulties. Christ promised that He would be with her until the end of time and so far, He is doing just fine......about 1,60 years after He formed His church, certain dissidents came along and decided to change the rules....O.K., I guess, but to use their misguided statements and misinterpretation of the Bible as the basis of your disagreements with me is ludicrous at best.

Will we disagree...maybe, but I am right.

159 posted on 07/21/2015 7:07:18 PM PDT by terycarl (, COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: MHGinTN

My plan is sleeker and hipper though, so it should be a hit with the kids. It’s a spiritual “Deal-a-Meal” but with a smartphone app!


160 posted on 07/21/2015 7:08:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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