Posted on 07/22/2015 3:47:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
It really is a low bar, but I keep seeing that from Trump supporters...."He's better than what we have now", etc.
We can do much better.
" Seriously, thought, isn’t it refreshing to have a candidate who says what he wants and stands by it? That alone will earn him votes."
No, because he isn't my candidate. I haven't dived into the cult of personality. I take his words for what they are---necessary, blunt statements.
He's a liberal Democrat and I don't vote for those.
Trump took a pro-life position today — banning abortion at twenty week pregnancies, something like that. So that’s progress
TADA!
No sale.
He’s “liberal” if you are a extreme right wind fanatic. Otherwise, no, not really and not much different than most republicans, even Cruz.
Right. I couldn’t find any indication of what their affiliation might be. Actually, it’s what is in Donald’s heart, anyhow. “Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.”
He has stated several times that after he takes communion he feels cleansed. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Also, that statement indicates to me a measure of faith on Trump’s part. It also says to me that Trump innately knew that he NEEDED cleansing. God is not finished with His work-in-progress named Donald Trump. Trump needs our prayers more than our criticism.
Ronald Reagan was a Presbyterian.
Isn’t the PCUSA the branch of Presbyterian that is for same sex marriage, women preachers, etc., just about every liberal belief imaginable? If so, all his Christian conservative talk is just that...talk.
All protestant mainline denominations currently are split between their liberal and conservative wings as Jews are currnently split between their orthodox conservative and liberal wings.
It would be helpful to know what side of the Presbyterian Church Trump currently inhabits before making judgements.
If he is in the PCUSA then he’s in the liberal wing. If he’s in the PCA then he’s in the conservative wing. Manhattan currently has active branches of both sub denominations.
See comments 35, 37 and 38.
But the most offended Presbyterians will be those of whom Trump claims to be affiliated, the more liberal Presbyterian Church (USA). The PCUSA is pro-choice while Trump is pro-life. The PCUSA is pro-amnesty on immigration, Trump is not. The PCUSA is pro-progressive tax reform, Trump is not. The PCUSA is pro-gay marriage, Trump is not. The PCUSA has plans to overhaul the U.S. financial and political sectors in ways that are contrary to Trump’s known business practices. The PCUSA advocates for the redistribution of wealth, Trump, well, he’s not.
But the most offended Presbyterians will be those of whom Trump claims to be affiliated, the more liberal Presbyterian Church (USA). The PCUSA is pro-choice while Trump is pro-life. The PCUSA is pro-amnesty on immigration, Trump is not. The PCUSA is pro-progressive tax reform, Trump is not. The PCUSA is pro-gay marriage, Trump is not. The PCUSA has plans to overhaul the U.S. financial and political sectors in ways that are contrary to Trump’s known business practices. The PCUSA advocates for the redistribution of wealth, Trump, well, he’s not.
He says that he has changed his positions, and some people trust him.
http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm#Abortion
I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)
http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm#Gun_Control
I am against gun control. (Feb 2011)
Dems and Reps are both wrong on guns. (Jul 2000)
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check. (Jul 2000)
http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm#Health_Care
Kill ObamaCare before it becomes a trillion-ton weight. (Dec 2011)
Increase insurance competition across state lines. (Dec 2011)
We must have universal health care. (Jul 2000)
http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm#Tax_Reform
Previously supported wealth tax; now supports Bush tax cuts. (Apr 2011)
Repeal the inheritance tax to offset one-time wealth tax. (Jul 2000)
Simplify tax code; end marriage penalty & other hidden taxes. (Jul 2000)
Opposes flat tax; benefits wealthy too much. (Jul 2000)
Personally avoids sales tax, but knows many people like it. (Dec 1999)
One-time 14.25% tax on wealth, to erase national debt. (Nov 1999)
Tax assets over $10 million, paid over 10 years. (Nov 1999)
Yeah. PCUSA is extremely liberal. "THE" Liberal Presbyterians. How that impacts his conservatism is yet to be seen, but any claim to mainline Religious Right is certainly not helped by this association.
I am curious as to when he was last in a church, Presbyterian or other?
At least they are his wives, unlike several Democrat presidents.
Trump says he will stand up and fight for Christians and there are people here criticizing him for it? You deserve Hilliary!
There’s also EPC - Evangelical Presbyterian Church...not sure if there’s any in NYC area.
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