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To: BlueDragon; NKP_Vet; caww; boatbums; Syncro; mitch5501; Mad Dawg
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc2.v.vii.xi.html HISTORY of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH, by PHILIP SCHAFF,

VOLUME II ANTE-NICENE CHRISTIAINITY a.d. 100–325.

And then the last paragraph under

I don't know about anyone else, but I detect sense of Schaff's own views being somewhat aligned with the views of some modern-day [Roman] Catholics, and that without those Roman Catholics being 'modernists', so my saying this it not intended as accusation against either...

Yet, after pouring over many volumes of this type of thing in context of present-day discussion, I do detect some evidence that his work, and the work and viewpoints of many other so-called 'Protestants' have influenced the internalized understandings and viewpoints of many (but not all) present-day Catholics --- which Schaff himself, as sort-of Anglican, would in certain contexts call himself --- catholic, of the universal Church.

This is no accident, for the Reformers were not set upon creating some new religion, but were in fact very keen upon hoping to re-capture the essence of the most ancient of Christian understandings...

142 posted on 07/28/2015 11:38:47 PM PDT by BlueDragon ("Another d-mn'd thick, square book! Always, scribble, scribble, scribble! Eh! Mr. Gibbon?")
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To: BlueDragon
Thankyou for the ping BD!

Here's hoping your work receives responses worthy of the time you've obviously spent compiling it.

I'm very grateful to God for my older brothers and sisters here!

146 posted on 07/29/2015 3:03:51 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure:for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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Without getting into the thread (life is short), I want to comment that I think this post is pretty good.

Whether it's true I don't know, but “they” told me in seminary that one reason the conversation got started was to thread a path between the revulsion at the idea of eating flesh and drinking blood and the declarative sense of the “Words of Institution.”

IMHO, a lot of the development of Catholic dogma is just like this. Initially the ideas are vague and evocative. The Fathers often strike me as poetic rather than “technical.” Then something comes up, and there's a controversy.

Somebody says that Mary is the theotokos. Somebody else says,” You can't say that!” Things get ugly, so they call a council, and little by little the teaching is refined and detailed.

So then the question of the reliability of councils arise. And here we are on Free Republic.

187 posted on 07/29/2015 9:49:31 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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