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To: Diego1618
One thing more, and then I'll call it a night.

So....these are the main points of [Colossians 2] and they all deal with issues from mankind....not Yahweh.

No, the feast days, new moons, and Sabbaths were, according to Paul, "a shadow of the things to come".

While some believers from among the Pharisees wanted to bind the Law of Moses on the Gentile believers (and would come to beguile them, with a show of wisdom, denying what Christ had accomplished), the inspired apostles withstood them. See Acts 15 for the beginning of this false doctrine.

Regarding this "shadow" and "copy" aspect of the old covenant practices, tabernacle, and furnishings, see Heb. 8:5, 9:9, 10:1, etc.

Okay, that's it for me on this subject. You get the last word. :-)
66 posted on 08/06/2015 8:28:19 PM PDT by LearsFool (Real men get their wives and children to heaven.)
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To: LearsFool; Diego1618; roamer_1

I know Roamer and I have had some of these conversations and I welcome the opportunity as I may have started this little exchange awhile ago in the post.

it is a battle in between our ears and hearts and boy, it is a battle that spills out into the world of religion.

Sorry in advance for length and maybe rambling- late out here.

If people don’t see that the calendar the world uses (Rome) and the calendar the Scriptures uses (His), are not the same (on purpose-daniel 7:25) , people will never see Him in the New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts. He is the ‘reason for the season’. Those are His before they were taught to Israel. And they represent the Creative and Redemptive Work. And that is an awesome study that people may not see until the Kingdom comes.

Neither will they see Passover( and every 14th Day of His months) is the 6th and final Work Day of His 2nd work week in His Calendar - EVERY MONTH..

The Son Finished His Work on the 6th Work Day (14th) of a prophetic 4 week month, rested in death on the weekly AND annual sabbath (15th) and was Raised the day after the Sabbath (16- First Fruits)

Even when Passover lands on a Monday, HE NEVER CHANGES. Time has..that is the problem. And the whole world is deceived,just as scripture predicted.

That pattern can be see with Spirit eyes in Ezekiel 46. It will NEVER be seen with Rome’s Calendar. Because Rome ignores one day every month that the Father’s calendar does not- the New Moon Day.

Read Ezekiel 46 and ask Him some questions- why does He give different orders for New Moon Days and the Sabbath than He does for the 6 Work Days?

And why are New Moon Days not a part of the 6 Work Days?
Why does that count to 8 and not 7? (New moon 1+6 work days +1 Sabbath =8 not 7

Fair,honest questions to pose to the Creator and Redeemer..

I asked those questions. And because I did,and follow that template this day, I know now that the Messiah’s very life events (birth, circumcision, dedication in the temple, baptism, death, burial, resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit All landed on either a New Moon Day, Sabbath or a Feast. And there are hints and clues too.. And those days are memorials to Him that Israel was taught in their very history- that is how Awesome those days are. They looked to the King and His Kingdom for us, as they did for Moses and Israel.
Judaism misses that but His believers can learn it and teach and bring about the erasing of false doctrines in this world- anybody want to help Babylon fall? We can.. We should. His Bride should know all things about Him.

Religion cannot teach all that. And it is because they are using satan’s calendar.

Which hides His appointed times which is what Satan’s goal is- to steal worship.

That is why, on His calendar, tomorrow is His 7th Day, His Sabbath. The 22nd Day of His 5th month (BTW, 1st Sabbath in the wilderness happened on the 22nd day of the 2nd month- He Never Changes)
And jews and christians will work..with most of the world.
And muslims will have their Friday prayers. I suspect some will work but maybe some muslim s don’t work on fridays,because according to the Pope Gregory world calendar, it is a work day. Problem is His Sabbath can fall on any of Rome’s Days and all religions stumble into and out of it during the year.

All religions are ‘united’ on Rome’s system. So is the world major govts and business. Again, not an accident. And if one reads Daniel 7 and sees Rome as the 4th Beast, it is all prophecy unfolding..

That is why the world called today Thor’s Day and not the Father’s 6th Day.

Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 happens this very day. And it won’t be seen if one is conformed to the world..

Nobody can remember the Sabbath if you can never find it. People may pick one of their own days and call it a Sabbath, like Rome has (and sets the Judaism premise of Saturnsday and the Muslims for FriyasDay)
And Satan has done a bang up job with the world’s calendar of doing just that. All religions happy..

I pray more open their eyes to The Word made flesh, according to His Word and not the counterfeit , according to Rome’s catechism and calendar..

The world setting its work and worship with a calendar named after a Pope (pope gregory-gregorian) in these last days isn’t coincidence. It is prophetic.

Sabbath Shalom for very few Friday. But it is all a faith step. Some will read any of this and it will not register. Some may get punched in the gut, like I did when I realized how my faith was in lots of counterfeits. Humbling indeed.

May He lead you all and the world to ask those questions about the New Moon Day. Seems so small and insignificant, but it may just be a key piece on a puzzle that has been hidden from us.
Because I believe Scripture and His Creation tells us the Savior was born on one of those New Moon Days( and more than likely baptized on that same day 30 years later on His Birthday) . and the day is approaching on His Calendar.

It is not important to the world of believers ,but Rome’s December 25 is.
Go figure..

And when one learns His Calendar,one can then learn and understand why His parable of the sower used 30/60/100 as the folds in His Kingdom..

And that is something that never can be seen with Rome’s calendar. Judaism and Christianity miss it. They miss one of His Feasts every year. It doesn’t surprise me Christianity misses what it calls its birthday every year- they miss the Messiah’s too- unless it lands on Sunday.

Pray for eyes to see and ears to hear- what Truth can be proclaimed about Him and His Kingdom -
there will be no Thor’s or goddess Friya days in His Kingdom. That is just babel.

New Moons and Sabbath? You betcha.
Why! Because they commemorate His Creative and Redemptive Work. Just like His Calendar does.
What an awesome realization that a Gentile can observe His Sabbath every week and those Feasts just naturally begin on the Sabbath- not a special Sabbath or another Sabbath- His Sabbath..
No extra planning- new moon day(1), six work days(2-7), Sabbath(8). Six work (9-14), Sabbath (15), six work (16-21)
Sabbath (22), six work (23-28)
Sabbath (29)
Await new moon day. That starts His 4 complete weeks of 6 work days and the Sabbath.
That is what Ezeliel 46 shows.

And when you see that pattern,the work of Creation ‘ending’ on the 7th day is a little riddle that can be solved.
And the Son finishing His Redemptive Work on the 14th day makes more sense..
And the Work of the Holy Spirit this 3rd prophetic Work will also end on the 6th and final Work Day (21st) before the 22nd day Sabbath..

And I dare anyone to read His Word the same way after realizing any of this

He is Awesome! And Satan has done his best to bring false premises that muddies the basics of worship.
And that is the battle in Revelation- over worship.

Apologies for the length and maybe the rambling - at this hour I should be sleeping.
But talking about His Kingdom is more important..

HalleluYah!


67 posted on 08/06/2015 11:36:45 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: LearsFool; Diego1618
[Diego1618:] So....these are the main points of [Colossians 2] and they all deal with issues from mankind....not Yahweh.

No, the feast days, new moons, and Sabbaths were, according to Paul, "a shadow of the things to come".

As a point of order, Paul says the feast days, new moons, and Sabbaths ARE shadows of things to come...

And the conventional Christian view of Paul's letter to the Colossians falls apart with just a little consideration - Colossians are pagans of Galatia... Generally practitioners of the Babylonian Mysteries (Astrology). How would it be that Paul is warning them *not* to go back to Judaism? They would not have been practicing Judaism in the first place, at least not by and large...

Equally problematic, 'new moons' are not that important in Judaism... One feast alone is tied to a new moon (Feast of Trumpets) - The rest of the feasts are tied to the full moon. So why the peculiar emphasis on new moons? But, new moons are part and parcel of astrology, even to this day.

And reading further on Col2 we find Paul is speaking of 'rudiments of the world' (20) and 'ordinances [...] after the doctrines and commandments of men' (20-22)

How can that be the eternal Torah, which is the ordinances, doctrine, and commandments of YHWH?

No, standard Christian interpretation of this passage leaves much to be desired.

76 posted on 08/07/2015 12:22:04 PM PDT by roamer_1
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