Posted on 08/16/2015 2:42:05 PM PDT by markomalley
A decade ago Tim Stanley joined the Catholic Church, the culmination of a journey that began with his familys spiritualism and took in Marx and Anglicanism
Ten years ago this month, I became a Catholic. It happened in the attic of the guest house at Ealing Abbey. There was just me, a friend and a monk, and the operation took about an hour. Afterwards we went for cocktails. I started things as I meant to go on.
I guess the two big questions to ask a convert are: why did you do it and are you happy? Answering the first point is hard. Its like asking a man why he married a woman. Theres a temptation to invent a narrative to say, this happened, that happened and before we knew it we were where we are today. But the simpler, yet more complex, answer is this: I fell in love.
I was lucky to grow up in a household open to religious belief. My grandparents were Christian spiritualists; Grandma advertised as a clairvoyant. Mum and Dad became Baptists in the 1990s. I remember the pastor one Sunday telling us that evolution was gobbledygook. The teenager in me came to regard the faithful as fools, but I was wrong. I couldnt see that they were literate, inquisitive, musically gifted and the kindest people youd ever meet. But I went my own way and embraced Marxism.
By the time I arrived at Cambridge University I was a hard-left Labour activist and a militant atheist. I saw life as a struggle. Salvation could only come through class revolution. The life of the individual was unimportant. Mine was unhappy. Very unhappy. I disliked myself and, as is so common, projected that on to a dislike of others. Im ashamed now to think of how rude and mean I was. Perhaps I was ashamed then, too, because I had fantasies of obliterating myself from history.
History was my redemption. In my second year I studied the Civil War. I discovered a world more colourful and distinct than todays. A world of faith; of saints and martyrs. My Marxist sympathy was for the Protestant Diggers but I was intrigued by Archbishop William Laud and his fight to restore the sacramental dignity to the Anglican Church. For some reason I started to visit far-flung churches in Kent. Id get up at 6am and cycle to a Sunday early morning service at Seal village. It calmed my soul.
I suddenly felt a great need to reconcile myself to something. Because Anglicanism was the only thing on offer at Cambridge (the Catholic chaplaincy felt like an Irish embassy), I asked to be baptised into the Church of England. Anglo-Catholicism was the closest I could get to Lauds vision of majesty incarnate. But it wasnt enough. Although I had made tremendous progress, something inside me said that I hadnt yet reached my destination. Something was missing. Prayer revealed it to be the Catholic Church the alpha, the rock, the bride of Christianity. I converted quietly in 2005 without letting many others know, including my family. It was like running away to Gretna Green to get married in secret.
Of course, the narrative Ive given could be something Ive constructed in hindsight. The journey was never straightforward; there were false starts and I often got lost. I remain uncertain of exactly why I converted at all. But I know I was absolutely right to.
What have I gained thats unique to Catholicism? Two things. First, structure. When you become a Catholic, you become a part of something much bigger than yourself. I can go to any place in the world and am guaranteed to find a church where there will be a Mass that I will understand and can take part in. I will share with the communicants a faith, a culture and a history spanning two thousand years. When I go to the Sistine Chapel and look at the ceiling, I dont just see something pretty. I see something that means something to me personally because I believe it all happened. The story of the Martyrs of Compiègne is my story, too the nuns who were killed in 1794 for their refusal to accept the authority of the French Revolution over their faith. And I understand why the Mexican martyrs of the Cristero War shouted Viva Cristo Rey! before their executioners opened fire. As a historian, I no longer just study history. I am a part of it.
Structure plugs you into humanity. If I am lonely or afraid, Ive got somewhere to turn to. I recently lectured on a cruise ship: eight days at sea with 2,000 strangers. If youre a shy boy, like me, this could be hell. But I was relieved to find that there was a friendly priest on board. Suddenly, my day had greater purpose (Mass in the mornings). More importantly, I had someone to talk to who understood what I was saying. And through this charming cleric, I got talking to other Catholics who shared the instant warmth that says: Howdy stranger, I think we might be related.
We met a lady on board who had a daughter with Downs syndrome. When she was born people said: What a pity. But the Church said she was beautiful and gave the child a role in the community. Now the parish priest is her best friend. There is no judgment in the Catholic Church, only love. I get angry when people paint it as distant or cruel. They simply cant have ever been to Mass.
The second thing I draw from Catholicism is hope. The consolation of the sacraments. I know that no matter how bad things get, I can always go to Confession, take part in the Mass and set things right again. Every day is a whole new day. And every day offers the chance for salvation. In every second of every hour there is a Mass being said. With each Eucharist, we relive the sacrifice of Jesus. As a young Protestant, I saw the crucifixion as something historical that only happened once and would never happen again. Now I know that His sacrifice is constant and eternal. For people who live with despair, and thats almost all of us, this promise is astonishing. One of the hardest things to believe is that someone else could love you unconditionally. We Catholics have proof. I suspect that this gift has saved my life. I might have died without it. Its that powerful.
Conquering your own demons is the beginning of seeing the light in others. Ive abandoned Marxism (a whole other complicated story) in part because Ive realised that you cant save this world by trying to tell others what to do. Politics is impotent compared to a kind word or a helping hand. Not that Ive become a saint over the past 10 years on the contrary, Im more conscious of my failings. When you become a Catholic you find lots of new ways of feeling guilty.
But one way I hope to do good is by telling everyone about my faith. And I do it as often as possible. I tell them that I am exquisitely lucky. I live in a world of mystery, where I get to witness the real presence of Christ every week at Mass. Ive met clerics of boundless charity and wisdom; the parish priest is one of my best friends, too. Ive gained a friend in Jesus and a spiritual mother in Mary. When Im lost for words, I pray to St Francis de Sales. When the seas get choppy, I pray to St Christopher.
Sometimes it doesnt feel as though I converted to Catholicism so much as my soul returned to it. This is my journeys end. I am home.
Tim Stanley is a historian and writer for the Daily Telegraph
(Speaking to the apostles, Christ said) Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. (John 20:23)
The penance I've seen/heard catholics do is usually more than a couple of prayers.
Really? The harshest penance I have ever been assigned in my life (and in my life I've done some whoppers to be penitent about, by the way) took me no longer than 30 minutes to complete. I'm not saying that such a thing doesn't exist, but I have, honestly, never heard of a huge penance being assigned to anybody in the last 1,000 years. (In former times, penances for grave sins would be public and long lasting, but that practice was done away with centuries ago. Frankly, part of me sort of wishes that it wouldn't have been done away with as it would have acted as a deterrent. No, I don't want it re-imposed...tough to go back, but I think the world would have been a lot different had people had to account publicly for the wrongs they did)
Where I do disagree is the concept of the mortal sin causing you to lose your salvation.
First of all, to make sure you're clear -- for an act to be a mortal sin, three conditions must exist: (1) the act, itself, must be objectively grave; (2) you must know that it is a grave act; (3) you must have freely consented to the act.
As an example, consider two women in a bar.
The first woman had a couple of drinks with a guy she met and went up to his room with him and they had sex.
- The act of sexual relations outside the context of marriage is objectively grave
- The woman knew that the act was grave
- However, since she was slipped a mickey, she was probably not in a position to freely consent to the act
Since all three conditions were met, it appears that a mortal sin was committed.
The second woman was slipped a mickey and then was taken to the guy's room:
- The act of sexual relations outside the context of marriage is objectively grave
- The woman knew that the act was grave
- However, since she was slipped a mickey, she was probably not in a position to freely consent to the act
Since she didn't consent, no mortal sin was committed.
I personally think the fundamental disconnect here with your statement, Where I do disagree is the concept of the mortal sin causing you to lose your salvation.
I think the fundamental disconnect here is with the basic concept of salvation. I could be wrong, but I get the impression that some Protestants believe that Salvation is an event (you were saved once and that's that). Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in that statement.
The concept with Catholics is that we believe salvation to be a process.
We believe that we were saved in baptism: Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1 Pet 3:21)
We believe also that it is an ongoing process: By which also you are saved, if [IF] you hold fast after what manner I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:2)
We believe that this ongoing process will continue until our death. If we continue to believe, we will be saved from wrath: Christ died for us; much more therefore, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from wrath through him. (Rom 5:9)
Now you mentioned Ephesians as a proof text. What about Ephesians 5:3-5?
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not so much as be named among you, as becometh saints: Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or scurrility, which is to no purpose; but rather giving of thanks. For know you this and understand, that no fornicator, or unclean, or covetous person (which is a serving of idols), hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
To me that seems pretty clear cut...those ones aren't going to heaven.
But suppose somebody had a conversion experience and then later fell back into old habits before his conversion.
Does that mean that God ignores fornication after the believer converts? Or does it mean that the believer who falls wasn't actually saved in the first place? [I've actually heard people claim the latter]
Or you have this one from St John:
He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask. All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death. (1 John 5:16-17)
St John is talking about believers praying for each other. But yet there is a sin unto death?
Don't get me wrong, I don't for a second think that God repents of His gifts to us. But I do believe that it is fully possible for one to walk away from those gifts.
Yes I know.
I always try to show, from scripture, the truth to those that disagree with you and I on this.
This just doesn’t fall under ecumenical. You can’t just post to Catholics here, like Protestants just can’t post to Protestants. There was an article a few weeks ago, I recall, having to do with some Protestant belief, but one line mentioned the Catholic Church, so it was changed from a caucus to an open thread.
Sorry. I meant to ping the Religion Moderator too in my post 45 but erased that address by mistake.
Ecumenical Caucus.
It appears your may be mixing apples (Catholic caucus) (Protestant caucus) etc with oranges (Ecumenical caucus.)
It seems to me if it is Ecumenical, it is open to all belief systems that would come under the heading of “Christian.”
It does seem that some posts have become very tangential and look more like preaching/proselytizing rather then discussion.
I suggest you double-check the RM’s page regarding caucus/ecumenical/etc and the rules regarding each.
Oh but we do. We can approach the Throne of Grace as noted in Ephesians 3:12 and Hebrews 4:16.
We've been adopted into His family if we believe (Galatians 4).
First of all, to make sure you're clear -- for an act to be a mortal sin, three conditions must exist: (1) the act, itself, must be objectively grave; (2) you must know that it is a grave act; (3) you must have freely consented to the act.
This is a man-made concept along with venial sins. It is not present in the NT.
Read the whole chapter in context.
Focus on verse 6 in particular the words sons of disobedience.
Matt. 12:32 -
And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
I John 5:16-18 -
If anyone sees his brother committing a sin that is not a deadly sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not deadly. There is sin which is deadly; I do not say one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not deadly. We know that anyone born of God does not sin, but He who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
So, what "NT" are you referring to ? The concept of degrees of sin is clear in every New Testanment I've ever read.
I've always thought of Catholicism as a mixture of idolatry and polytheism, that masquerades as a monotheistic faith. This guy essentially admits it.
Question: If you lust after a woman for 1/2 of a second....sin or not?
I can attest to that -- I've been for mass in the US, Canada, Ireland, UK, Belgium, France, Germany, Poland, India, Bahrain, Italy, Greece, Czechia, Hong Kong, etc in myriad languages and I'm always surprised at how much I can follow. The commonality, the universality, the catholicity is a comforting environment to pray to Our Lord
WVKayaker — you do realise this is the story of a man converting from leftist beliefs to Christianity, right? It’s not about the flavour of Christianity.
Hahahahahahaaaaa!
Another spinmeister, without a good story to spin! Roman Catholicism is just another form of leftism! It is faith in some manmade system, not what we find in Script!
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