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The Gospel Part 2: You Better Get It Right
Unsealed.org ^ | 7-22-15 | Gary

Posted on 08/17/2015 9:45:07 AM PDT by amessenger4god

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" - Matthew 7:21-23

Brothers and sisters, it is seriously time to drop the works-righteousness.  Time is so short.  When you stand before the Lord don't for one second think you can offer your works as the admittance fee.  The deluded folks Jesus mentioned above did just that and were told that He never knew them.

Works-righteousness is something that I and almost every Christian I know falls into over and over again.  It goes something like this: Jesus died for me, but I have to hold me (truth: Philippians 1:6, John 6:39).  Jesus died for me, but I have to prove myself to Him.  Oh man of dust, how great do you think you are that somehow you can ever measure up to the standard of the holy and living God?  That arrogance is called self-righteousness, the very thing the Bible says will lead to death.

Understand that this issue is at the very heart of the Gospel and is the very heart of the Reformation.  It is a Catholic doctrine that you must somehow balance faith and works, as if Paul and James were not in agreement (they were in complete agreement: see here, here, here, here, and here).  Sadly many Evangelicals are taking the road paved by N.T. Wright right back to Rome.  I see many watchers doing the same thing.  You can't possibly balance faith and works.  It is either all grace or all works.  The only works you've ever done that have pleased God are the ones that came from your trust in the sufficiency of Christ's own work.

Good works will never come from your efforts to 1. prove yourself, 2. prove that you're saved, 3. atone for your sins, 4. save yourself.  These are rubbish works, which the Pharisees do.  Your job/your choice is simply to trust that Jesus died for your sins and rose gain and then not let go of this hope (see also here).  Forgiveness is not a debit card.  If you really believe that Jesus died for ALL of your sins and that you've been set free from sin and death and that you have a Heavenly Father who loves you unconditionally, you will:

1. Be saved.

2. Be extremely grateful.

3. Be extremely joyful.

4. Dance with all your might.

5. Love unconditionally because you know you were loved unconditionally.

If you still think that you are saved by grace + works, or mostly grace with a few works, or if you are just confused about what the Gospel is, I recommend you read Part One in this series.




TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: gracevsworks; jesus; salvation
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To: metmom
But plenty of people who call themselves Christians and think they’re Christians because they do the do’s and don’t do the don’t’s, who are really trusting themselves, will be there.

Unfortunately for them, you are correct MM. I suspect, the vast majority of religious people, like you describe, have absolutely no assurance of salvation, or, at best, have false hopes of salvation. It doesn't have to be that way. It is SO simple, a three year old can understand it.

101 posted on 08/17/2015 6:52:58 PM PDT by Mark17 (How could anyone suspend himself upon a cross and die for me, die willingly, to set us free.)
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To: Mark17
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. ... And we have discovered my brother in Christ is that His Spirit leads from within those born from above.
102 posted on 08/17/2015 6:59:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Mark17; SkyPilot; SkyDancer; metmom; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear; RnMomof7; caww; Iscool; ...

And here is a message from a Christian Jew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgYZlPAJHv0


103 posted on 08/17/2015 7:03:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: amessenger4god; aMorePerfectUnion; Syncro; HossB86

Meant to ping you folks to Cahn’s message ...


104 posted on 08/17/2015 7:04:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: metmom
Is anyone’s thought life perfect? No hatred? No lusting? Ever?

You know my answer to that. I think the war between the old nature and the new nature, is primarily fought in the thought life.

105 posted on 08/17/2015 7:12:59 PM PDT by Mark17 (How could anyone suspend himself upon a cross and die for me, die willingly, to set us free.)
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To: ealgeone; MHGinTN
Psalm 103:8-14The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. He will not always chide, nor will he keep his anger forever. He does not deal with us according to our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities.

For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his steadfast love toward those who fear him; as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. As a father shows compassion to his children, so the Lord shows compassion to those who fear him. For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust.

106 posted on 08/17/2015 7:15:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mark17
You know my answer to that. I think the war between the old nature and the new nature, is primarily fought in the thought life.

As is mine.

Jesus settles the issue in the Beatitudes when He raises the bar even higher than the Law by saying that the outward actions are not enough, the inward heart must be perfect as well.

So people can depend on their outward works all they want, but not a single one of them, perfect as a Pharisee as they may be, can even think they can begin to measure up on the inside.

No one can even get the first commandment down. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Even if I could live a perfect life from this point on, it would NOT be enough to erase the record of debt that I already carry. The blood of Jesus is the only thing that can do that.

All it takes is ONE sin to condemn someone.

Works based salvation people just don't see that.

107 posted on 08/17/2015 7:27:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: MHGinTN

I know of him and I watch him whenever I can. I see him from time to time on Prophecy In The News ... his Shemitah discussions are very profound. And as myself, I prefer to refer to myself as a Messianic Jew.


108 posted on 08/17/2015 7:43:51 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: MHGinTN

I know of him and I watch him whenever I can. I see him from time to time on Prophecy In The News ... his Shemitah discussions are very profound. And as myself, I prefer to refer to myself as a Messianic Jew.


109 posted on 08/17/2015 7:44:09 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: metmom
All it takes is ONE sin to condemn someone.

Works based salvation people just don't see that.

Correct on both accounts. In fact, I would say that one, tiny, small, seemingly insignificant little sin, like eating the fruit, from the wrong tree, in the Garden of Eden, would be enough to send the entire population of the world to Hell. 🙀😩

110 posted on 08/17/2015 8:35:51 PM PDT by Mark17 (How could anyone suspend himself upon a cross and die for me, die willingly, to set us free.)
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To: MHGinTN
Meant to ping you folks to Cahn’s message

Not sure I want to open that U Tube.

Is it a message from Genghis Cahn???

111 posted on 08/17/2015 8:46:31 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus said “Come to me...")
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To: Syncro

Or his wrath?


112 posted on 08/17/2015 9:02:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Amen.


113 posted on 08/17/2015 9:20:27 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: MHGinTN; ealgeone; metmom

Every time I read one of these types of responses I am more and more convinced that you all are more concerned with convincing yourselves.


114 posted on 08/18/2015 3:35:32 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: MHGinTN; Religion Moderator
And you presume to take what James was teaching as a way for fellow believers to discern the spiritual status of an one, and then apply it speciously to believe it supports working your way to eternal life. How quaint.

That is not what I was saying. I merely posted Scripture. Do not mind read.

115 posted on 08/18/2015 3:40:00 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: amessenger4god
James is proving NOT that there are two kinds of faith, but that a mere profession of faith is no faith at all.

Not at all--three are three kinds of faith:

  1. Dead faith--one which we we acknowledge intellectually, but go no further. Sunday-only "Christians."
  2. Demonic faith--This affects the mind and emotions--Even the demons believe, and shudder
  3. Living faith--This affects the whole person--intellect, emotion, and will. This faith drives the emotions and causes us to act in our faith.

116 posted on 08/18/2015 3:43:42 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: metmom
Our faith is demonstrated by our works.

Exactly.

It’s still the faith that saves.

Yes is it--the thief on the cross was saved by merely believing.

117 posted on 08/18/2015 3:45:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Elsie

works

That was the answer to “how to get to God?”.

Hoops was a good call, but this time

You coulda’ predicted works.

The answer went straight as an arrow right to that, bypassing hoops that circle around and try to have things all ‘roundabout, about works.

Gotta earn it.

Without ceremonies, all the giving food and blankets and water to those without are still not enough

Works, and ceremonial works.

He (Jesus) wasn’t the door, He just opened it.

Gotta’ work to be worthy to walk through it.

No matter what, its (works) never enough.

No Celestial soup for you. Telestial only, and only if you try and be a good boy.


118 posted on 08/18/2015 4:02:43 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: ShadowAce

“Yes is it” should be “Yes, it is”


119 posted on 08/18/2015 4:46:01 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: verga; MHGinTN; ealgeone; metmom
Every time I read one of these types of responses I am more and more convinced that you all are more concerned with convincing yourselves.

Actually it's the opposite! :)

120 posted on 08/18/2015 4:56:41 AM PDT by ealgeone
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