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To: LearsFool

“And what makes one’s faith an obedient faith? Doing the will of the Father, as opposed to merely acknowledging Jesus with a “Lord, Lord”.”

I would agree with you, but I’d add that faith and trust are synonymous. There is no such thing as a “disobedient faith”. James is not arguing that salvation = faith + works. He is arguing that faith naturally leads to works and the absence of works proves that one is only a mere professor.

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68 posted on 08/17/2015 12:51:41 PM PDT by amessenger4god
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To: amessenger4god
You hit the nail on the head too...or pretty darn close.

There is no such thing as a “disobedient faith”. James is not arguing that salvation = faith + works. He is arguing that faith naturally leads to works and the absence of works proves that one is only a mere professor.

The faith that obeys is the faith that saves. Any other "faith" is a fake.

Faith and obedience are inseparable. You might as well try to separate the body from the spirit as to separate faith from obedience. The result either way is something dead.

Why was Abraham justified by works? Because he worked in faith.

Why was Abraham justified by faith? Because his faith worked in his works of obedience.

To take a liberty with James' analogy: To speak of justification by faith without works of obedience, is like speaking of your friend Harry coming over for dinner but forgetting to bring his spirit with him.

It's becoming clear, isn't it, that these works are different from those Paul talked about in Romans?

You see, there's "works", and then there's "works". There are works done in faith and inseparable from it. And there are works (in Romans) that are in opposition to faith, seeking justification without faith.
72 posted on 08/17/2015 1:37:06 PM PDT by LearsFool (Real men get their wives and children to heaven.)
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