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To: Arthur McGowan; redleghunter

Arthur, still using that false syllogism? That was discredited some time ago. It suffers from an inappropriate distribution of the middle term. As redleghunter points out, a fireman is a different kind of thing than the triune God. To distribute the middle term correctly, you would need to treat the term “god” the same way you treat fireman, like this:

Martha is the mother of Sam

Sam is a god

Therefore Martha is the mother of a god

Which of course would also be false, but not because of structure, only because one of the premises is false.

But the structural falsity is a more powerful and therefore a more dangerous error, because it is harder to detect than a blatantly false premise. For example, tell me what’s wrong with the following logic:

“I’m the most responsible person around here, because it seems I’m responsible for everything that’s going wrong.”

We recognize this as a joke, but only because we spot that the word “responsible” shifted meaning between its first use and its second. That is what an undistributed middle term is, a term that shifts meaning from one premise to the next. It invalidates the syllogism.

Remember that theotokus was never designed to be primarily about Mary. It was the burden of Chalcedon to affirm against heresy that Jesus did not acquire the divine nature at some later time, but had it from the womb. And in this we agree. It is unfortunate that Marian factionalism has hijacked the term, and even more unfortunate that it was so vulnerable to being hijacked, because the truth it was originally meant to express is sound enough. But the words of man tend to froth and error, whereas the word of God is the best and most helpful expression of God’s truth.

Peace,

SR


1,085 posted on 08/25/2015 5:09:12 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Your error is in ASSUMING that at any point, I was making reference to the Triune God. Not one of my syllogisms used the term “God” in the sense of “the Trinity.”

ALL the objections to the title “Mother of God” are based on the assumption that “God” always refers to the Triune God, i.e., the Trinity.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Jesus is the incarnate Second Person of the Trinity.

Mary is the mother of the incarnate Second Person of the Trinity.


That is what is meant by saying that Mary is the “Mother of God.” It is what has ALWAYS been meant by saying that Mary is the “Mother of God.”

No Catholic has ever said that Mary is the mother, or the origin, or the Trinity.

Therefore: The objection that Mary is NOT the mother of the Trinity is NOT an objection to anything that any Catholic has ever said or believed.


1,090 posted on 08/25/2015 5:42:38 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bishop Malooly of Wilmington, Cardinal McCarrick)
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