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To: marshmallow

Couldn’t happen to a nicer semi-illiterate genocidal maniac. Love the majority of his life dedicated to killing Jews! I’m thinmking - what? Luther, Goering and maybe Hadrian in a little tryptich at the Fontana di Trevi? (cue Freepers checking “wikipedia” instead of Luther’s own works advocating the annihilation of Jews...) “Read ye whatever... Make it up as you go along... But whatever you do, kill ye some Jews!” No, but seriously. Great guy. Needs a statue in the seat of the actual Church. Very diverse! Love it.


13 posted on 08/24/2015 6:26:30 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux

Of course the Minnow-munchers were totally tolerant of Judaism.


16 posted on 08/24/2015 6:55:50 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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To: golux

Luther’s writings on the Jews were abhorrent, but before getting all haughty and spouting off, I caution you to consider the source of Luther’s anti-Semitism. He was a Catholic priest who was educated by Rome and lived in a society dominated by Rome. Moreover, Luther was roughly 34 when he hammered the 95 Theses to the Wittenberg Door and only lived to age 62, not near long enough to rid himself of the cultural detritus, superstitions, errors, and heresies it had taken Rome more than a millennia to accumulate.


27 posted on 08/24/2015 7:20:46 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: golux; metmom; boatbums; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
Couldn’t happen to a nicer semi-illiterate genocidal maniac.

An objective analysis no doubt, though many RC scholars see otherwise.

...Luther is an intellectual giant, or, to use a word from Paul Althaus, an "ocean. " The danger of drowning in him, of not being able to come to grips with him satisfactorily, arises from his tremendous output, but no less from his own original style, which we are going to take up. It sounds banal, but cannot be left unsaid: Luther belongs in the first rank of men with extraordinary intellectual creativity. He is in the full sense a genius, a man of massive power in things religious and a giant as well in theological interpretation. Because of this, he has in many respects shaped the history of the world--even of our world today.”- Catholic Scholars Dialogue with Luther(Jared Wicks, S.J, Editor. 1970, Loyola University Press) p. 4.

Technically this worthy examination argues that Luther was not against being Jewish, as if the race was inferior (nor are blacks inferior to whites, but there are cultural generalities) but he was actually anti-Judaic.

Nor was Luther contrary to many Catholics in his attitude toward the Jews, for while there are some unbalanced RCs who have the strange idea that if they can discredit the character of Luther (whom evangelicals disagree with on many things) than they can somehow seriously impugn what we believe, yet real popes and his prelates are also indicted for harshness toward Jews, and providing fodder for the Holocaust.

In The Popes Against the Jews : The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism, historian David Kertzer notes,

“the legislation enacted in the 1930s by the Nazis in their Nuremberg Laws and by the Italian Fascists with their racial laws—which stripped the Jews of their rights as citizens—was modeled on measures that the [Roman Catholic] Church itself had enforced for as long as it was in a position to do so” (9).

In 1466,

in festivities sponsored by Pope Paul II, Jews were made to race naked through the streets of the city. A particularly evocative later account describes them: “Races were run on each of the eight days of the Carnival by horses, asses and buffaloes, old men, lads, children, and Jews. Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them, and at the same time, more amusing for the spectators. They ran from the Arch of Domitian to the Church of St. Mark at the end of the Corso at full tilt, amid Rome’s taunting shrieks of encouragement and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily. Two centuries later, these practices, now deemed indecorous and unbefitting the dignity of the Holy City, were stopped by Clement IX. In their place the Pope assessed a heavy tax on the Jews to help pay the costs of the city’s Carnival celebrations.

But various other Carnival rites continued. For many years the rabbis of the ghetto were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the streets to the jeers of the crow, pelted by a variety of missiles. Such rites were not peculiar to Rome. In Pisa in the eighteenth century, for example, it was customary each year, as part of Carnival, for students to chase after the fattest Jew in the city, capture him, weigh him, and then make him give them his weight in sugar-coated almonds.

In 1779, Pius VI resurrected some of the Carnival rites that had been neglected in recent years. Most prominent among them was the feudal rite of homage, in which ghetto officials, made to wear special clothes, stood before an unruly mob in a crowded piazza, making an offering to Rome’s governors.

It was this practice that occasioned the formal plea from the ghetto to Pope Gregory XVI in 1836. The Jews argued that such rites should be abandoned, and cited previous popes who had ordered them halted. They asked that, in his mercy, the Pope now do the same. On November 5, the Pope met with his secretary of state to discuss the plea. A note on the secretary of state’s copy of the petition, along with his signature, records the Pope’s decision: “It is not opportune to make any innovation.” The annual rites continued.

“When all is said and done, the [Roman Catholic] Church’s claim of lack of responsibility for the kind of anti-Semitism that made the Holocaust possible comes down to this: The Roman Catholic Church never called for, or sanctioned, the mass murder of the Jews. Yes, the Jews should be stripped of their rights as equal citizens. Yes, they should be kept from contact with the rest of society. But Christian Charity and Christian theology forbade good Christians to round them up and murder them.”

See more in part 5 of a series (1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5, 6 .

Also see second half of this post . Thank God for His light.

57 posted on 08/25/2015 5:48:39 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: golux

Right, the Vatican would never sponsor or endorse Jewish persecution.


58 posted on 08/25/2015 5:50:40 AM PDT by xone
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To: golux
Love the majority of his life dedicated to killing Jews!

Yeah; if it hadn't been for him; the Inquisition would not have occurred.

83 posted on 08/25/2015 10:57:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: golux
Needs a statue in the seat of the actual Church.

Read closer: in ROME; not in Vatican City.

84 posted on 08/25/2015 10:57:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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