Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
And with practical sanctification as the cause for justification and perfection of character (nothing unclean) necessary to be with God, thus the baptized who dies in grace must suffer "purifying torments" in order to enter Heaven.
"...we will go to Purgatory first, and then to Heaven after we are purged of all selfishness and bad habits and character faults." Peter Kreeft, Because God Is Real: Sixteen Questions, One Answer, p. 224
ones who will go directly to heaven are the ones who have already shed every last trace of self-love left in their hearts...Their hearts are left with nothing but pure love for Christ. -http://stillcatholic.com/CATHPurg.htm
We also see that those who are “born again” not only receive the state of grace, but also a complete remission of the temporal punishment due to their sins. That’s what the Sacrament of Baptism gives. That’s why those who are “born again” go straight to Heaven if they die immediately after baptism. - http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/baptism_salvation.php
If one were to die immediately after Baptism, he would go straight to Heaven (assuming one presents no obstacles). - https://www.fisheaters.com/baptism2.html; https://ourladyporingland.wordpress.com/sacraments/baptism/
Of course, in Scripture it is on Christ's account, not because he is practically good enough, that one is justified by faith and has direct access now to God in prayer, and will be with the Lord at death or His return.
More on that here where i said,
Man could not and would not believe on the Lord Jesus or follow Him unless God gave him life, and breath, and all good things he has, (Acts 17:25) and convicted him, (Jn. 16:8) drew him, (Jn. 6:44; 12:32) opened his heart, (Acts 16:14) and granted repentance (Acts 11:18) and gave faith, (Eph. 2:8,9) and then worked in him both to will and to do of His good pleasure the works He commands them to do. (Phil. 2:13; Eph. 2:10)
Thus man owes to God all things, and while he is guilty and rightly damned for resisting God contrary to the level of grace given him, (Prov. 1:20-31; Lk. 10:13; 12:48; Rv. 20:11-15) man can not claim he actually deserves anything, and God does not owe him anything but damnation, except that under grace — which denotes unmerited favor — God has chosen to reward faith, (Heb. 10:35) in recognition of its effects.
Which means that God justifies man without the merit of any works, which is what Romans 4:1-7ff teaches, with “works of the law” including all systems of justification by merit of works, “for, if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.” (Galatians 3:21)
Thus the penitent publican and the contrite criminal, both of whom abased themselves as damned and destitute sinner and cast all their faith upon the mercy of God (which ultimately is Christ), were justified, and as such could go directly to be with the Lord at death, even before they did any manifest works of faith. But works justify one as being a believer, and fit to be rewarded under grace for such, (Mt. 25:30-40; Rv. 3:4) though only because God has decided to reward man for what God Himself is actually to be credited for.
But; if not...
I will be happy to send you one for free along with the Tim Staples CD.
What’s that got to do with the price of rice in China?
Or what I said for that matter?
I'm sure you do or you wouldn't keep posting them.
Might want to read that a bit more closely, and thank you for proving me correct.
I have heard all I need of your type of Christianity. and yes it would hurt to listen to what ever it is you linked to since I would never get amount of time back.
No kidding! It's something, isn't it? Funny, though -- the very title is fallacious. I guess it starts there and gets worse.
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Hoss
Dude... you might owe me a keyboard. THAT was great! :D
Hoss
“Says the guy that responds to every one...”
I respond to posts, but not every comment.
Monosyllabic comment from Elsie coming any time now.
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
I've already listened to that charlatan on the internet...What a difference when you listen to people who actually know and believe the bible...J. Vernon McGee comes to mind...
Numerous, numerous Christian teachers out there make that book come alive with their knowledge that one can prove to be true just by studying the scriptures...
I feel sorry for you guys who are so bereft of the knowledge of God that he preserved for us in his scriptures...
Psa 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Psa 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
So were you Catholics when you got married?
And like moths to a flame the hates flock to it proving the OP correct
LOL, whatever dude. I see you did not deny this is a flame baiting thread. I will keep on believing it is.
You will have to excuse me, I am having some Catholics over, and one Muslim, for a little Bible study. This should be fun, and I am leading it. 😇
Oh good, hugh sorry.
So many post that kind of stuff and they are seris!
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