Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
And the hairs on my arm just stood again REMEMBERING it!
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
Very good Mama. Very true also. We really aren't discussing the theory of relativity are we?
Yes, Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse TO believers, but it was not an ekklesia building discourse, it was to answer the insistence as to what shall be the SIGNS of the arrival of the end of the age. The end of the Age of the ekklesia is the end of the building of the ekklesia, and the advent of Daniel's seventieth week where God brings to an end His dealing with the Jews as evangelizing the world and the end to sin. (see Daniel 9)
It is cogently speculated that believers who heard the Luke 21 Discourse regarding the fate of Jerusalem were able to escape the Roman razing of the city and killing more than a million because they took Jesus's teaching on the signs of the impending destruction of the Temple as warning to get out when the Roman armies encamped around Jerusalem for nine months while Vespasian returned to Rome to settle the emperor question upon the sudden death of Nero.
The Olivet Discourse was focused upon something many centuries after the destruction of the Temple. The Tribulation has events taking place in a restored Temple, spoken of by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse. There are many many signs of the end of the age events and His return from Heaven with the armies of Heaven, after the events see in Heaven by John, involving The Church, the ekklesia.
Keeping the Olivet Discourse as a separate teaching from the Luke 21 Discourse which took place during the day in the Temple, prior to the Olivet Discourse, is a vital part of understanding the different periods to which Jesus referred in the two different discourses. The Olivet Discourse was most definitely not aimed at building the ekklesia since it primarily dealt with the end of the Age, the Church Age, and the Tribulation to follow.
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One needs to take the Law of Double Reference into account. As Antiochus Epiphanes foreshadowed the Anti-christ, so perhaps the occasion of 70 AD (Tisha b'Av) (as a judgment on the Jewish nation) has foreshadowed the 70th week of completion of God's judgment on the rest of the world's nations (Mt. 25:31-33) after the 7-year final Tribulation, when He pens up Satan and comes with His saints to institute His Earthly Kingdom.
Just a suggestion --
And a really good suggestion it is!
And that is precisely why Sola Scriptura is wrong. Once You eliminate the 2000 years of Sacred Tradition, all you have left is personal interpretation of the scripture in light of personal experience.
....” all you have left is personal interpretation of the scripture”.....
God says otherwise or are you saying He’s a liar?
....We have the prophetic word made ‘more sure’, to which you do well to ‘pay attention’ as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts....But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.....2 Peter 1:20
Note we are told what to know first of all....so if one fails to understand that truth then you are lost from knowing what truth is.....leaving oneself open to all manner of false teachings and traditions.....which catholicism teaches.
I am saying every protestant is his own Pope or Popess, Stop with the gotcha games.
If sacred tradition is right and supposedly passed down, why are there so many contradictions between the ecfs on those issues most dear to roman catholicism??
I am saying every FR Catholic is a JUDGE of POPES. They can't Stop with the desire to install a pope to their OWN liking.
Poorly catechized!
It explains EVERYTHING!
If Sola Scriptura is right and supposedly given by God why are there so many different interpretations?
Scripture will always surpass anything of tradition...in fact Jesus warned us about the traditions of men....heck I have traditions in my family...should I therefore begin a church and claim these traditions as equal to or surpassing that of scripture? Of course not.
Roman Catholicism has many errors in their belief system because it’s about promoting the church ‘system’ itself first and foremost...not Christianity. Further what might be “most dear” to it’s members is not significant to Romes leadership. The Vatican is a political entity and governs itself accordingly.....the people are simply the means of generating the revenues they utilize and invest for their own purposes....with just enough trickle down to keep the membership happy.
....”I am saying every protestant is his own Pope or Popess”....
Not at all because we don’t need, desire such when we have Jesus Christ who clearly sent His Spirit to teach us what we need to know.....
Jesus said....”The Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall ‘teach you’ all things, and will bring to your remembrance all the things which I have said to you.”.....For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God...Therefore.....when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come....He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.... “All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
John 14:26..Romans 8:14..John 16:13-15
There is nothing wrong with relying upon the Word for final truth. The error lies in the following:
1) people like to practice eisegesis and read into the text things that are not there.
2) texts are taken out of context due to #1 to accommodate a particular point of view or substantiate a belief
3) lack of knowledge/use of the original languages
4) lack of knowledge of the background of the OT/NT era
You know....it certainly does give the appearance that members of the rcc place a greater emphasis on learning the ccc than the Word.
But there is the issue of simple unbelief. The sad reality is that many who claim to be Christians have never repented of sin and come to Christ for the salvation He alone offers. The pews are filled with unbelievers who have come into the church for their own reasons and who have never experienced a true change of heart. Many who teach the Bible do not believe it themselves. They claim to speak for God but do not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them and, without His illumination, .....they come to wrong conclusions and false interpretations of Scripture.
The Lord tells us...”The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned” ....(1 Corinthians 2:14). Also Peter reminds us that the letters of the apostle Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament epistles, "have some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures"... 2 Peter 3:16.
So When the "ignorant and unstable" attempt to interpret Scripture without using accepted methods of exegesis, error often results. Paul told Timothy to "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2:15.
Additionally...Taking verses and passages out of their context has resulted in more incorrect interpretations than any other single factor.....and a lack of understanding of the entire Word of God....which many people don't read let alone study.....Failure to adequately compare Scripture with Scripture and preach "the whole counsel of God" as Acts 20:27 instructs has led many groups to promote falsehood and error.
And yet further those who teach God's Word, whether from the pulpit, in Bible classes, or on blogs or websites, must be 'mature in the faith' and well-studied in the Scriptures. Sadly, this is often not the case, which results in a plethora of opinions and false interpretations of Scripture.
Finally, incorrect interpretations of Scripture occur because of an emphasis on tradition. Some churches claim to believe the Bible, but their interpretation is always filtered through the established traditions of the church or interpreted in light of the church's other publications or edicts. When equal weight is give to tradition and the teachings of the Bible, tradition is often given precedence. This directly contradicts the doctrines of the sufficiency and supremacy of the Word of God and leads to falsehood.
....No church tradition, papal edict, or writings of man can be placed on a par with the inspired Word of God which is declare to be all we need to be "complete, equipped for every good work".... 2 Timothy 3:17.
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