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To: af_vet_1981
hat Luther conspired

You said in #142 "Luther actively persecuted the Jews to his last years". No proof of that. There is plenty of proof that Catholicism OTOH did actively do so. Why do you tout the one and ignore the other? Do you believe that actively, IOW really doing acts of persecution is less offensive that talking badly about Jews? Are you now calling for the Catholic church's actions to be seen as better as Luther's words about Jews? The Forum wonders about this disconnect.

To what extent in this glow of Reformation hatred will you go to exonerate or ignore the actions of your own church? Is there a limit? I don't pretend as some that hypocrisy is the worst crime ever, but it does remove the credibility of the presenter as it does here.

Never do the Confessional documents of the Lutherans support anti-semitism. The Catholic church OTOH has.

Re: your earlier support of Jews from the CCC, is that the same CCC where Catholics and Muslims worship the same God? If true, that could explain the Catholics' action in regards to the Jews. And yet here is a Catholic decrying Luther's opinion of the Jews.

150 posted on 09/17/2015 10:29:01 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
You said in #142 "Luther actively persecuted the Jews to his last years". No proof of that.

False; there is proof in his own words.

Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they arenot lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let them stay at home. I have heard it said that a rich Jew is now traveling across the country with twelve horses his ambition is to become a Kokhba devouring princes, lords, lands, and people with his usury, so that the great lords view it with jealous eyes. If you great lords and princes will not forbid such usurers the highway legally, some day a troop may gather against them, having learned from this booklet the true nature of the Jews and how one should deal with them and not protect their activities. For you, too, must not and cannot protect them unless you wish to become participants in an their abominations in the sight of God. Consider carefully what good could come from this, and prevent it.

    Days Before Luther Died
  1. February i, 1546.

    To my dearly beloved housewife, Katherine Luther, owner of Zulsdorf and the SaUmarket, and whatever else she may be. Grace and peace in Christ, and my old, poor (and as I am aware), weak love to thee ! Dear Kathie, I became extremely weak when I was close to Eisleben, but it was my own fault. However, hadst thou been there, thou wouldst have said that either the Jews or their God were at the bottom of it. For we had to pass through a village close to Eisleben where many Jews lived, and perhaps they blew upon me, for there is no doubt that at the village a strong wind blew in at the back of the carriage, pene- trating through my doctor's hat, threatening to turn my brain into ice.

    When the principal matters are arranged, I must endeavour to banish the Jews. Count Albrecht does not like them, and has tried to expose them, but as yet no one has meddled with them. If God will, I shall help Count Albrecht, and speak about them from this pulpit. I drink Naumburg beer, which you praised so highly at Mansfeld, and it agrees with me excellently.
  2. I think that hell and the whole world must at present be free from devils, who, perhaps because of me, have all now gathered in Eisleben, to such a pass things seem to have come here. It is said that at Ritzdorf, close to Eisleben, where the wind blew so fiercely upon me, four hundred Jews walk and ride out and in. Count Albrecht, who owns all the land round Eisleben, has refused his protection to the Jews. There are often as many as fifty in one house here, as I wrote to you. Still no one will injure them. The Countess of Mansfeld, widow of Solms, is looked upon as their protector. I do not know if all this be true, but I have given my opinion pretty freely on the subject to-day, whether it will help or not.

    Pray, pray, pray, and thus help us to right matters. To-day I felt inclined to mount my carriage and set off, but my anxiety as to my Fatherland held me back.
    February i, 1546.

167 posted on 09/17/2015 8:58:14 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: xone
And yet here is a Catholic decrying Luther's opinion of the Jews.

It was not an opinion. It was a religion. There is a reason the Holocaust occurred in a majority Lutheran country and theys used Luther's wicked texts to justify murdering 6 million Jews. Luther is foundational to the religion, which puts its trust and tradition squarely on him and his gospel.

168 posted on 09/17/2015 9:02:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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