Posted on 09/21/2015 8:02:17 AM PDT by Salvation
**There is no Biblical precedent for such activity**
Yes, there is. Who was the first intercessor that we hear about in the New Testament?
Mary — at the Wedding of Cana.
And what did she tell the people?
“Do whatever he tells you.”
Those are her last words in the Bible — she directs everything back to her Son.
The real question is, "why would you?". They are no more influential with God than your peers. Mary and the saints were not anointed into special service by God. That assignment came from man alone. Perhaps you think you can appoint special diplomats that God must allow to serve in his court.
Yes, it is the apostolic and evangelical journeys of Jesus, writ large.
"Writ large"? What does that mean? Or is that autocorrect tripping up Msgr Pope again?
Neither you or I have the God-given authority to - for instance - define the Holy Trinity, or define that Jesus Christ is true God and true man.
That is the nature of the authority that Christ gave to Cephas.
Their prayers are so important that they get a specific mention in the Apocalypse.
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Mary and the saints were not anointed into special service by God
I'm pretty sure that Mary was called for an extremely special service by God.
And all of the Saints have been called to the fullest, holiest service of God - the only difference between them and us is (by the grace of God) they have achieved it.
Well, Good night guys. I have a client coming soon and I need to prepare. May God bless us all.
I apologize in advance, but THIS is what popped into my beady little old brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oskCypnfoA8 in regard to "process". ;-D
I think you are reading into Scripture what isn't there.
for instance - define the Holy Trinity, or define that Jesus Christ is true God and true man.
You are out of your mind! Are you trying to tell me that the POPE invented the Trinity and declared Jesus Christ to be true God and man? I think you are woefully mistaken.
Other side of the pond?
“Christ spoke Aramaic, not Greek. The word he used was Cephas.”
God inspired the NT in GREEK. Not Aramaic.
“The only reason for the Petros/Petra difference in the Greek are the rules of Greek grammar. The chief apostle is a male and cannot be called Petra, so he is called Petros.”
This is an opinion not supported in Greek language.
“But the words of Christ were in Aramaic. So when Christ says:”
Given that there is no manuscript that supports this claim - meaning no actual evidence - it is just made up out of whole cloth to support an idea not developed until more than a hundred years later, as Rome incorporated paganism.
“It’s even in the King James Bible!”
Actually, it is not.
More importantly, anytime a translation does not carry the actual meaning of the original text, the translation is false.
Just finished it, very interesting.
Biblehub has it on their page for that quote.
“Biblehub has it on their page for that quote.”
Yes, I understand.
Please understand in turn that no english translation is inspired.
Unless you are reading the Greek - which is inspired by God - you will have to supplement your english translation with some study of words to get the sense of what is being said FRiend.
Salvation,
If you wish to read a bit more about this passage, the link below from Bible Hub has a full range of commentaries on it. They cover history, Bible and language.
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/16-18.htm
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I am glad someone out there read it. Interestingly enough, it was a former Roman Catholic priest who recommended that book. I was reluctant because I did not want to believe what the book puts forth because of my Roman Catholic loved ones. However, I found it compelling and it forced me to reconsider some of my beliefs about both Rome and eschatology.
**papal antichrist**
Oxymoron — would not happen.
That weak and unsubstantiated declaration isn’t much of a defense of popery. For the sake of your soul, prayerfully read the book I linked.
“At the moment the Roman Catholic Church condemned the biblical doctrine of justification by faith alone, she denied the Gospel and ceased to be a legitimate church, regardless of all the rest of her affirmations of Christian orthodoxy. To embrace her as an authentic church while she continues to repudiate the biblical doctrine of salvation is a fatal attribution.”
—Dr. R.C. Sproul
Already happened, the institution of the papacy.
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