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Cardinal Baldisseri - Jesus is too negative, put Francis first!
Vox Cantoris ^ | 9/21/15 | Vox Cantoris

Posted on 09/22/2015 9:27:58 AM PDT by BlatherNaut

I am reading Edward Pentin's book, "The Rigging of a Vatican Synod? I would not have put the question period. I've only just started it but you must buy this book.

This excerpt is chilling and reveals the evil men and weak men as betrayers of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

On Friday, October 3, two days before the opening of the synod, this scholar received a call directly from Cardinal Erdö to come and meet him the next day. “I said: ‘Sure, when would you like me to come, maybe 4 or 5 P.M.’ ”, reported the scholar, thinking he would prefer to meet after a siesta after lunch. But the call was more urgent than that. Erdö wanted to see him at 1:30 P.M.

When he arrived at Cardinal Erdö’s office, the Hungarian cardinal was “ashen faced”. He had just come from Cardinal Baldisseri. Erdö had read to Baldisseri the Relatio that he had written, and the synod secretary general had picked it apart. “He’d just brow-beaten him into submission”, the scholar said. Cardinal Erdö had, it seems, drafted the document with the opening line beginning with “Jesus Christ is our Master before all others and our only Lord”, and had stated, in an allusion to 2 Timothy, that the faithful owe obedience to Him whether it is convenient or not convenient.

“We’re sitting across the table from another, and he says with a tortured expression on his face: ‘Cardinal Baldisseri wants me to change that.’ ” “I said ‘Why?’ ”

“He said: ‘It’s negative’ and that I should I begin with the ‘Joy of the Gospel’ [Pope Francis’ 2014 apostolic exhortation]33 and quote Pope Francis. Before Jesus Christ.”

Erdö asked the scholar: “Do you think I should quote Pope Francis first?”

The expert had been told by someone who knew Cardinal Erdö well that, although solidly orthodox, he would be liable to backtrack under pressure.

“You could have knocked me over with a feather”, the scholar told me. “Here we are, two days before the opening, there’s the Mass, two days before, and he’s asking me if we should start with Jesus Christ? I said, ‘Eminence, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is the Alpha and the Omega. We start with Jesus Christ.’ He left it in. You’ll see it, it’s still the first line.”

But the cardinal was not so successful with the second line. In his draft, Cardinal Erdö had wanted to move from Jesus Christ to Pope Paul VI, Evangelii nuntiandi (his 1975 apostolic exhortation on evangelization in the modern world), and from there to Pope Saint John Paul II with Familiaris consortio and then Benedict XVI and finally Pope Francis.

But Cardinal Baldisseri said, “No, invert the order.” He wanted the opening Relatio to begin first with Francis and Evangelii gaudium and then cover the other popes. The scholar reminded Erdö that it was common to start with the earlier popes and follow through, in chronological order, to more recent popes, because that is how doctrine develops.

Despite this, Cardinal Baldisseri got his way. According to the scholar, after pushing Erdö to make several rewrites and appealing directly to the pope to have contributions from Forte and others reinstated that Erdö had removed, the text was accepted.

In the report, it is still Jesus first, but then it is Francis, and then it is Paul. “Every reference to truth, the Word, bothered Baldisseri”, the scholar observed. “That’s Baldisseri”, he said. “He wanted mercy, a lot of mercy, less truth.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: baldisseri; francis; jesus; pentin; sinnod
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1 posted on 09/22/2015 9:27:58 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

There are actually people who might be surprised by this.


2 posted on 09/22/2015 9:30:19 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (The federal government retards me.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Evil afoot.


3 posted on 09/22/2015 9:30:51 AM PDT by Calpublican (Boehner,McConnell,Corker,McCain,Alexander,Hatch,Graham+More=Corrupt)
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To: BlatherNaut

Ahh, no. Heretic.


4 posted on 09/22/2015 9:36:29 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: BlatherNaut

Paraphrasing Churchill - “You were given the choice between mercy and truth. You chose mercy but you will have Truth. And there will be no mercy.”


5 posted on 09/22/2015 9:37:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I've switched. Trump is my #1. He understands how to get things done. Cruz can be VP.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Damn.. things are getting curiouser and curiouser over there in Popeland.


6 posted on 09/22/2015 9:40:03 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged, you're part of the problem.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Idol worship, which breaks the First Commandment is as ancient as the Commandments themselves.


7 posted on 09/22/2015 9:41:04 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: BlatherNaut

is this a joke???


8 posted on 09/22/2015 9:41:50 AM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel (JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVIOUR)
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To: BlatherNaut

God is love, but He is also Just. He is Holy, but also Merciful. When you focus just on one attribute to the exclusion of the others, you distort the Truth and character of God.


9 posted on 09/22/2015 9:41:57 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: ScottinVA
St Malachy may have been on to something
10 posted on 09/22/2015 9:42:21 AM PDT by rdcbn ("If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin." Zell Miller)
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To: BlatherNaut
This is last days stuff....we need to be aware
11 posted on 09/22/2015 9:46:11 AM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans Patriots are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: BlatherNaut
I am reading Edward Pentin's book, "The Rigging of a Vatican Synod? I would not have put the question period. I've only just started it but you must buy this book.

I don't know what a "question period" is, but this blogger needs to learn what a "close quote" symbol is, and use it.

12 posted on 09/22/2015 9:49:12 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: BlatherNaut

Sickening.

I’m literally becoming physically ill reading this.


13 posted on 09/22/2015 9:49:46 AM PDT by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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To: BlatherNaut

Blasphemy,and why I am not a catholic. The word or title of pope is not even in the bible. Peter was not a pope. Its just Roman paganism(traditions of men) mixed in with Christianity, and they still cant get it through their heads that you aren’t supposed to pray to anyone but God in Jesus name(period). Christ followers during his time was nothing like the catholics and their practices.


14 posted on 09/22/2015 9:49:49 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: BlatherNaut

I am a faithful Catholic and will remain so as my soul needs the nourishment that only the eucharist can provide...however

any man who puts himself or anyone else before God is a follower Satan it is that simple... I do not know what is in Francis’s heart. I suppose it is possible that he uses his outward display of humility to gain popularity for himself rather than to serve God... regardless we should pray for him.

As to the cardinal who rebuked his colleague for putting Christ before the pontiff from Argentina it is impossible to know if this directive comes from the top or if it was a way to gain favor with a pope who relishes in his own adoration.


15 posted on 09/22/2015 9:53:24 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: BlatherNaut

Assemblies of God support evolution. It’s everywhere.....


16 posted on 09/22/2015 9:54:00 AM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: BlatherNaut

Read this one and be disgusted. The pope says the Koran And Holy Bible Are The Same. No sir it is not.

http://nationalreport.net/pope-francis-followers-koran-holy-bible/


17 posted on 09/22/2015 9:54:17 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME
I'm not a Roman Catholic, but this has been shown to be a hoax.
18 posted on 09/22/2015 9:57:14 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: BlatherNaut

One thing is for certain
NONE of these false shepherds know Jesus or lean on him for understanding and it is why they are ALWAYS on the wrong side of things

How to Know God
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/knowgod.cfm

Did you know that God has offered forgiveness for your sins and assurance of eternal life through faith in His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ?

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:16-18, NKJV).

“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:3, NKJV).

You may be asking yourself: “How can I know God?” Man is able to know the true and living God through His Word, that is, the Bible. The Bible reveals God’s character and His plan for mankind. It is through reading His Word that we come to a knowledge of the righteousness of God and that which He requires of us.

What is it that prevents us from personally knowing God? Our sin has separated us from God — our corruption is to such a degree that we cannot know Him personally and cannot experience His love. God’s Word says,

“...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” — (Romans 3:23, NKJV).

Man was created to have fellowship with God, but because of his sin (i.e., anything that is against the righteousness revealed in God’s Law) he is prevented from that fellowship. This includes anything less than perfect obedience to God’s commands.

“For the wages of sin is death...” — (Romans 6:23a, NKJV).

The ultimate result of this death is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:10). This spiritual death forces a separation from God. Man is sinful and God is holy. This creates a gulf unbridgeable by man making that intended fellowship impossible.

God’s eternal plan was to send His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross and take on our punishment (Romans 5:8; Galatians 4:4; 1 John 4:10). He knew no sin and yet became sin for us (2 Corinthians 5:21). He died in our place. This removed our burden of sin and allowed us to enter into that desired fellowship through faith in Jesus Christ, and Him alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12).

It is not just enough that you know these truths. We must individually place our trust in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. This means repenting of our sins and believing in Jesus Christ as God’s Son who came to earth as a human to die for our sins so that we might have everlasting life with Him. Placing our trust in Jesus requires faith, which is a hope-filled belief in Jesus even though we don’t see Him face to face (John 20:29; Hebrews 11:1). And salvation is by faith alone, not by any works we could do to please God (John 6:28-29).

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” — (Ephesians 2:8-10, NKJV).

“But as many as receive Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.” — (John 1:12, NKJV).

Those who place their trust in Jesus become God’s children; and as heirs to heaven are promised the eternal pleasure of glorifying God (Rom. 8:16-17; Gal. 3:29). As our life here on earth progresses, God will continue to work in our hearts, daily changing and conforming us into the image of Christ, Himself (1 John 3:2). We will begin to live lives of righteousness. Obedience to God will not be a burden to us, but rather a joy.

The invitation to place your trust in Jesus Christ by faith is open to all. Friend, if you are not a child of God, we pray that today would be the day of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2).

“...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” — Romans 10:9-10, NKJV

If you have placed your trust in Jesus Christ by faith, you may be wondering “What next?” Our greatest recommendation for believers, new and old, is fourfold:

Locate a Bible-based church that soundly preaches the Word and rejoice in the fellowship of other Christians.
Study the Bible for that is where we learn of the greatness of God and His plans.
Pray to God, asking Him to strengthen your faith and increase your love toward Him.
Enjoy the blessings given by God in the heavenly ordained sacraments: baptism and the Lord’s Supper.

All of these are meant to encourage and build up your faith as well as the faith of those around you.

If you have any questions, search the Scriptures, ask your Pastor, or please feel free to ask us. If you would like some guidance in locating a Bible-based church, even in other parts of the world, we’d be privileged to help in any way possible.


19 posted on 09/22/2015 9:58:58 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: BlatherNaut

CONTEXT PLEASE!!!!

He DOES NOT say to place the Pope above Christ!!!

He wanted the QUOTE of the Pope before the QUOTE of Christ.

While I disagree with that editorial direction, it is not fair to leave lazy readers with misrepresentations of headlines.


20 posted on 09/22/2015 10:03:44 AM PDT by G Larry (Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
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