Posted on 09/22/2015 2:05:58 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
Therein lies the problem...the organization may teach it, but the Bible does not.
free will brought us the fallen world. necessary to make an honest choice, but it means you can make a fatally wrong one.
rationalization does not yield forgiveness or absolution. nancy will find out.
Ping!
Pelosi is a mystery to me. I don’t understand her at all.
The true Marxist can and must be able to hold two totally contradictory opinions in their mind at the same time and fully support both of them. Read 1984.
It certainly is:
God in the beginning created human beings and made them subject to their own free choice.
Sirach 15:14
She probably believes it in her own mind
You can't understand her. She's crazy.
It is not possible to be a Catholic and pro-abortion. Period. All you can be is a fake Catholic, a CINO. From its very beginnings Catholicism, and Christianity in general, has taught that life is sacred, every life. No exceptions.
I will sidestep the deeper arguments that man (and woman) do not have free will. Adam had free will, but when he chose to put his 'faith' in Satan (and his lies), he, and his progeny, became slaves to Satan. It took Christ to break our chains, and there is only Freedom in Christ ('He who the Son makes free, is free indeed').
But leaving this argument aside, let's say that man (and woman) have this free will.
They are free to choose death, and they are free to choose hell.
How does that make Pelosi feel better?
Refusing the Gift of Salvation, and choosing an eternity in hell-fire is a heckuva way to exult this 'free will' that she gushes over.
As I said, it is not in the Bible...
But I have read on different threads that some people do not think moral choice is the same a free will in other words, we are wranging about a word for which we have different definitons, always a pointless exercise.
Good try. The Council of Carthage (397) was the first Council to publish a list of all the inspired books of the Bible. The Council of Florence repeated the canon of the Bible, and it was restated at the Council of Trent.
In the year 1800 the people who were publishing the KJV decided to remove it and several other books of the Bible. All the versions of the KJV from 1611 to the year 1800 contained it and the other books.
Sorry, your argument carries no weight.
"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live."
Deuteronomy 30:19
Deut. 30:19 certainly is...
Can you point out where in the passage the argument for “free will” exists?
Because, these are what the Bible actually says about “free will”...
Prov. 16:9
The mind of man plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps.
Prov. 21:1
The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes.
Prov. 20:24
Man’s steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?
Dan 4:35
All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, ‘What have You done?’
Phil 2:10 - 13
So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless * the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Rom 9:18 -21
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use (or destruction)?
Not even the universe has a “free will” choice...
Prov. 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD.
No question that a choice is called for...the questions are, “Who is driving that choice? Is man free the way the RC organization claims or are they managed by God the way the Scriptures tell us?”
Your spurious book from the apocrypha (a rejected group of books Rome holds onto) is not the Bible, my FRiend.
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