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To: kinsman redeemer
So, are you saying that the context depends on the meaning of the word "we"?

How is it that the Holy Roman Catholic Church view Muslims as "separated brethren?" Is that because of Abraham and his son Ishmael- who was NOT the son of promise?
    No, I did not write that. I explained the portion of the Catechism that some find confusing in context.
  1. The passages are dealing with the relationship of the holy catholic apostolic church with nonChristians. Separated brethren, as I wrote, are considered Christian (assuming they are in Protestant faith communities that have not apostasized into a nonChristian religion/cult) and are covered in a different passage other than those I linked to. For example, you might be considered among the separated brethren and regarded as a Christian by Catholics.
  2. The first people discussed who are not (yet) Christian are the Jewish people.
  3. The next group considered who are not (yet) Christian are those who believe in the Creator, chief among whom are Moslems.
  4. "We" includes the holy catholic apostolic church, the Jews, and those who profess faith in the God of Abraham (as do the Moslems), as having in common that all three profess to worship and adore the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That itself is the context of the relationship being discussed.

207 posted on 10/15/2015 10:13:26 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; HossB86; Syncro
Again, I thank you for your response. I know we have our differences and it is good to have a rational exchange.

Maybe I'm the one who is confused here. I thought that Hoss gave this quote from the catechism:

"841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Then I saw that another poster said that proper interpretation of catechism (using context that would not be provided) does not lead us to think that Muslims worship the same God of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

In your most recent post, you even say,
4. "We" includes the holy catholic apostolic church, the Jews, and those who profess faith in the God of Abraham (as do the Muslims), as having in common that all three profess to worship and adore the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. (emphasis mine)

I understand that Hagar thought she was serving the same God as Abraham but you #4 uses the present tense to claim equivalence.

I admit: it is hard for me to follow what is being said by you and the other poster, but plainly asked:
Does the Holy Roman Catholic Church believe that the God it worships is the same as the God who is worshiped by Muslims?

Please be patient with me. I am not playing "gotcha." That poster was wrong.

209 posted on 10/15/2015 10:53:06 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: af_vet_1981
The next group considered who are not (yet) Christian are those who believe in the Creator, chief among whom are Moslems.

Jesus was the actual physical Creator so no the muzlims do not believe in the God of Creation...

213 posted on 10/15/2015 12:55:46 PM PDT by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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