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To: af_vet_1981
That's interesting but I think you are wrong.

I thought we were talking about the Muslim God of today. Did Mohammed receive inspiration (when he wrote the Quran) from the same God that the Holy Roman Catholic Church worships? No. Although Ishmael was the progenitor of the Arab people, Muhammad did not (after 610 AD at least) worship the same God as the Jews.

Today's Muslim is worshipping a different god from the one that Hagar trusted and believed. Their perspective, their understanding, their concept of God has changed. Allah is a significantly different from the God that the Jews and I worship in truth. The Jews knowledge of God is incomplete. The Muslim God is a complete distortion of the God of Abraham.

Their distortion is so great that it is not the same God I serve

Now, I understand your view. I understand your perspective. I don't agree with you.

We've had an interesting discussion and I sincerely thank you.

In a related note, I want to present a prophesy about Ishmael that has been fulfilled.
He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.

224 posted on 10/15/2015 3:50:21 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer
thought we were talking about the Muslim God of today.

Do you see what you wrote ?

I think the confusion stems from an understandable historical bias toward, and hatred for, Moslems, which is why I substituted Jews and Samaritans in the equation. Some/Most, but obviously not all of your Protestant colleagues will admit that they profess to worship the same God as the Jews (or Catholics) profess to worship and adore. Some will admit the Samaritans. Most would exclude the Moslems. There is only one God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and there are four religious traditions professing to worship and adore "The God" of Abraham (five if you count Reformed Christianity). Do all five worship and adore the God of Abraham in spirit and in truth without error ? No. Do all err equally ? No. Is one essentially correct ? Yes.

Regarding the prophecy I do not know what version that is and it does not quote the entire promise. One would miss the fact God named him with "El" on the name.

And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me? Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered. And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael. And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.

Genesis, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses seven to sixteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

228 posted on 10/15/2015 4:50:46 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: kinsman redeemer
Modified from my earlier post:

Today's _______ is worshipping a different god from the one that Hagar trusted and believed. Their perspective, their understanding, their concept of God has changed. (Their god) is significantly different from the God that the Jews and I worship in truth. The Jews knowledge of God is incomplete. The ________ god is a complete distortion of the God of Abraham. Their distortion is so great that it is not the same God I serve.

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

327 posted on 10/16/2015 12:22:03 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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