Posted on 10/23/2015 11:48:42 AM PDT by NYer
I am not playing. I don/t consider discussions of this nature to be either amusing or entertaining in any way.
I think he knows I hold no ill will toward him.
This is certainly news to me. While the moderator appears not to, I consider comments such as these as personal attacks:You value the secular word over God's Word.
Duly noted for future reference.
You said you wanted secular sources instead of the Bible.
There is no other way to understand what you're saying.
You won't accept the Biblical references already provided yet you will accept secular sources.
It's you playing the word games. Sorry God's Word is not acceptable to you as being historically reliable and free of the bias of man.
I choose my words very carefully and rarely shoot from the lip. Your comments are a complete misrepresentation or my exact words.
I said the Bible is not a history book, even though it does contain historical truths. If it was a history book you would find in located in the library with history books or for sale with history books in book stores. You don't. It has it's own separate location. When you engage in a historical discussion you quote historical sources, just as when you in engage in a Biblical discussion you quote either the Bible or Bible commentaries.
We were having a HISTORICAL discussion.
Your inability/ unwillingness to site historical sources and misrepresentation of my words have made me decide to no longer engage you in serious discussion.
Have a good day
Then we’re back to you’re in checkmate as you prefer the secular sources over the inspired Words of God. You cannot cite from the Word what you claim.
Thank you for proving my point by failing to read/ comprehend what I wrote.
As someone probably closer to Evangelical youth groups, I think you are over estimating the success.
What typically happens is they graduate high school, and realize the church has no idea of what to do with them. They are no longer “youth” (and can’t be treated as such) but if they don’t have a family, they don’t fit in with the rest of the older church. That and to often they don’t really have much of a foundation to go back on. They views often mirror that of society at large, and not of the church. So these people typically drift out of church attendance till they get married and start having kids. Many don’t return even then.
Youth ministries need to be changed. Instead of “Lets keep this fun!” it needs to be “Let’s build a foundation!” To much milk means the kids are not ready for growth.
I saw it personally. After college, when I had my first job, most of the churches I went to didn’t know what to do with a 20 something single man. Many made it quite clear that I was not a “desired” group, and to go “elsewhere”.
The Church as a whole needs to be there for the entire life of the Christian. Not just as Youth and families with kids. However, that means dealing with a lot of things that pastors and priests don’t want to deal with. Things like young adults dating and breaking up (which was a reason one church I went to suburban Chicago did not do young adult groups), older single adults who have either lost their spouse or had a divorce, and the elderly in some parishes who might not fit the growth plan.
The Church is supposed to be a hospital of sinners, but to often it is viewed as an entertainment business.
The Protestant denomination I belong to [Christian Church (Disciples of Christ}] has a “Young Adults Group” that is for 18 - 30 year olds. Thus our young people who go off to college can continue friendships and religious activities. These are no only in local congregations, but regionally linked through meetings. Christian service and continued study are the major focus of these groups.
This has worked to keep them active in our congregations, but we still “loose” youth who are now post high school. Thus this is a somewhat working method of keeping from “loosing” your now young adults, but it isn’t a guarantee of keeping them.
Well since you posted the same old cut and paste objections to the SSPX faculties, I’ll again post my thoughts...
If Jesus were to appear suddenly just as I was to walk into an SSPX (traditional) confessional, do you really believe He would interrupt me and say: “Stop, my child, this priest is missing jurisdiction due to some technicality in canon law. Please receive My Body from him, but DO NOT first confess your sins to him”.
Huh?
It would be a false appearance, and you are already on a false trail.
So, since the Society continues without alteration the path of The Church prior to the recent innovations, your position is that The Catholic Church was on a “false trail” prior to about 1960???
No, you are on a false trail now by abandoning the Catholic Church, which is still on its pilgrim journey in this world. I hope you come back.
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